Chess

[Electricity]

No point that concerns you really, Jambo. Just dealing with you is like a grisly battle with the hydra of mythological fantasy and not all its heads are cut off yet. I was merely revealing a couple more of your many heads, and seeing what their being brought into consciousness might evoke in you.

lol

 

[Electricity]

So I hope you all enjoyed that humdinger of a King's Gambit between two famous Russian GMs and former WCs (replete with their thoughts during the game).

Mowl has been PMing me furiously! saying that he doesn't understand what happened.

So why did Karpov resign?

Yes, it's a little hard to see, the commentators didn't say much about it and although the chess girl does an admirable job keeping up with the position on the live audience board as time control looms..



So after Spassky moves Qb8+, Karpov resigns (instantly) in this position:

Why? After making his only legal move (out of check) Kd7, Spassky will play the lethal Nc5+

Black's king doesn't have a square to move to; white's king controls c6, queen controls the 8th rank and the black diagonal and knight controls e6.

This of course isn't checkmate but it forces Karpov to trade his queen for Spassky's knight.. and then king and queen versus king is a win.

Mowl told me (by PM) that he still doesn't understand what happened but he quite fancies the chess girl (see video above), she has a nice figure, he said.

I would agree with that but then I told him that she's only a teenager, a few weeks shy of her Eighteenth.. He soon changed his tune (I think he was just trying to pretend to be hetero anyway).

 

[Electricity]

Musical Interlude

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[Electricity]

Mowl just PM'd me and said that he doesn't know who the band is but he thinks they're from Finland

 

[roc_abilly]

Fucking gas really. Makes an exhibit of himself as a copying and pasting jackass and really the most dog dumb racist going.

Then as if to try and prove otherwise he comes onto this thread to demonstrate his knowledge of chess, like some primitive r2d2 AI prototype completely ill adapted for “real life”.

 

[Electricity]

Fucking gas really. Makes an exhibit of himself as a copying and pasting jackass and really the most dog dumb racist going.

Then as if to try and prove otherwise he comes onto this thread to demonstrate his knowledge of chess

Can I ask you a serious question?

Why did you pretend to know how to play chess (and with me of all people)?

Do you realise how utterly stupid that was? I mean, the only other person I've known to do that was Doggy

, like some primitive r2d2 AI prototype completely ill adapted for “real life”.

 

[roc_abilly]

I can play chess, just not at your level. You've been playing since you were five, and obviously are totes mad into it, watch the youtube and all.

As for me, well I think there's a connection between your emotional attachment to chess, and your professed ideology of white supremacism, including your ideas about these 'IQ' metrics of intelligence, but not only that.

So that is why I interact with you on the topic, it is not because I am particularly interested in chess itself, I couldn't really give a fuck to be honest, I do play occasionally with my young fellow, but that's about it. Whereas I am interested in your white supremacism.

So I suppose we're at cross purposes. Well you more than me, I suppose, because any movement in the petri dish that I have you swimming around in gets written down in the notes of my experiments, it's all towards a purpose.

 

[roc_abilly]

David I wonder might this post be put at the top of every page of this thread?

I'd like to try and draw out the political ramifications of white supremacists playing chess.

This is a political discussion forum after all.

The political question for the forum is this: how can a white supremacist who is so clever at chess, be so dog-dumb stupid in terms of the causality operating in every day human affairs?

... like some primitive r2d2 AI prototype completely ill adapted for “real life”.

So good readers, in this vein, let me show you a modern consumer level computer chip, the Intel i9:

It has a transistor count of about 4.2 billion. That is almost 300 times the number of transistors that was needed for "Deep blue", a computer containing 15 million transistors, that beat Garry Kasparov the world's best player.

A computer able to beat our Jambo in chess would no doubt require only a fraction of that. Today, a consumer can buy a computing machine, the size of a sliced pea, capable of beating Jambo, for pennies.

But let us turn to the latest AI. - An "AI" that no doubt is still eons away from matching actual human intelligence (all it does is "parse" very large quantities of what has been expressed by humans in natural language and uses particular algorithms to "learn" from that, drawing on probability distributions to make very basic judgements on let us call it "appropriateness" of its responses).

However it may serve well as illustration. The basic chip underlying current AI is the H100. It has 80 billion transistors, almost 20 times more than the Intel i9 we mentioned earlier.

Then, these chips are racked up, first 8 of these chips to a rack, then say 20 racks are housed in a server rack housing, then hundreds of these are assembled into a datacentre. Or something like that. Video below on the details:



Anyway, what's the point of my banging on about all this technical detail?

Well let's visualise it. What's the comparative size of Jambo's brain?

Let's assume our current AI reaches the capacity of say a Rhesus monkey (just for illustration, I think a monkey brain still far outpaces current AI).

Now, what size would Jambo's chess playing brain be on a comparative scale? What level of vertebrate, or would he even reach the level of vertebrate?

So there is a serious message to consider in all the above. Humans are much smarter than data no matter how large the data set. Data (statistics) do not understand causes and effects, humans do.

The current AI has given us machines with impressive abilities but no intelligence. The difference is profound and lies in the absence of a model of reality.

Jambo has an inadequate model of reality owing to his seclusion from the real world, apparently learning about it pretty much by what comes through Woods, collet and Morgash etc.

He has inadequate language. And it is language that shapes our thoughts. For example you cannot answer a question that you cannot ask, and you cannot ask a question that you have no words for.

Finally, where causation is concerned, a grain of wise subjectivity tells us more about the real world than any amount of objectivity.

But Jambo cannot think for himself, he thinks through the memes and Telegram videos of others who he hero worships.

So, this is why Jambo is as he is, and do not be mislead by his "chess thread", it is a feint.

Now I suggested our esteemed administrator sticky this post so it shows up at the top of every page on this thread - for it gives the ultimate context of the thread I think. Cheers.

 

[roc_abilly]

... would he even reach the level of vertebrate?

 

[Electricity]

I can play chess, just not at your level. You've been playing since you were five, and obviously are totes mad into it, watch the youtube and all.

As for me, well I think there's a connection between your emotional attachment to chess, and your professed ideology of white supremacism, including your ideas about these 'IQ' metrics of intelligence, but not only that.

So that is why I interact with you on the topic, it is not because I am particularly interested in chess itself, I couldn't really give a fuck to be honest, I do play occasionally with my young fellow, but that's about it. Whereas I am interested in your white supremacism.

So I suppose we're at cross purposes. Well you more than me, I suppose, because any movement in the petri dish that I have you swimming around in gets written down in the notes of my experiments, it's all towards a purpose.

Typing you "can play chess" and that you "occasionally play with your young fellow" doesn't prove anything

The fact of the matter is, when asked you failed to spot a simple mate-in-one and not only that, after initially dodging, you gave a completely bafgarb answer. Doggy similarly exposed herself

I think that (both of) you pretending to know how to play chess speaks to something above and beyond mere stupidity

 

[Electricity]

David I wonder might this post be put at the top of every page of this thread?

I'd like to try and draw out the political ramifications of white supremacists playing chess.

This is a political discussion forum after all.

The political question for the forum is this: how can a white supremacist who is so clever at chess, be so dog-dumb stupid in terms of the causality operating in every day human affairs?



So good readers, in this vein, let me show you a modern consumer level computer chip, the Intel i9:

It has a transistor count of about 4.2 billion. That is almost 300 times the number of transistors that was needed for "Deep blue", a computer containing 15 million transistors, that beat Garry Kasparov the world's best player.

A computer able to beat our Jambo in chess would no doubt require only a fraction of that. Today, a consumer can buy a computing machine, the size of a sliced pea, capable of beating Jambo, for pennies.

But let us turn to the latest AI. - An "AI" that no doubt is still eons away from matching actual human intelligence (all it does is "parse" very large quantities of what has been expressed by humans in natural language and uses particular algorithms to "learn" from that, drawing on probability distributions to make very basic judgements on let us call it "appropriateness" of its responses).

However it may serve well as illustration. The basic chip underlying current AI is the H100. It has 80 billion transistors, almost 20 times more than the Intel i9 we mentioned earlier.

Then, these chips are racked up, first 8 of these chips to a rack, then say 20 racks are housed in a server rack housing, then hundreds of these are assembled into a datacentre. Or something like that. Video below on the details:



Anyway, what's the point of my banging on about all this technical detail?

Well let's visualise it. What's the comparative size of Jambo's brain?

Let's assume our current AI reaches the capacity of say a Rhesus monkey (just for illustration, I think a monkey brain still far outpaces current AI).

Now, what size would Jambo's chess playing brain be on a comparative scale? What level of vertebrate, or would he even reach the level of vertebrate?

So there is a serious message to consider in all the above. Humans are much smarter than data no matter how large the data set. Data (statistics) do not understand causes and effects, humans do.

The current AI has given us machines with impressive abilities but no intelligence. The difference is profound and lies in the absence of a model of reality.

Jambo has an inadequate model of reality owing to his seclusion from the real world, apparently learning about it pretty much by what comes through Woods, collet and Morgash etc.

He has inadequate language. And it is language that shapes our thoughts. For example you cannot answer a question that you cannot ask, and you cannot ask a question that you have no words for.

Finally, where causation is concerned, a grain of wise subjectivity tells us more about the real world than any amount of objectivity.

But Jambo cannot think for himself, he thinks through the memes and Telegram videos of others who he hero worships.

So, this is why Jambo is as he is, and do not be mislead by his "chess thread", it is a feint.

Now I suggested our esteemed administrator sticky this post so it shows up at the top of every page on this thread - for it gives the ultimate context of the thread I think. Cheers.

Obviously your nonsense about white supremacy and chess doesn't pass the laugh test and you've been babbling (mindlessly) about cause and effect for a while now.. But I would tend to agree with you about AI

But even then, what point are you
trying to make, (human) chess playing ability isn't related to intelligence because they (humans) can be beaten by unintelligent machines? You truly are a scatterbrained dumfuk (as well as insane)

 

[roc_abilly]

... what point are you trying to make, (human) chess playing ability isn't related to intelligence because they (humans) can be beaten by unintelligent machines?

Jambo, the point was made clear, anyone could understand it.

The political question for the forum is this: how can a white supremacist who is so clever at chess, be so dog-dumb stupid in terms of the causality operating in every day human affairs?

Now on our streets we have the Jambos and Arsefielders who put their hand in their pocket, find no money there, look around themselves for a cause, and immediately notice this "conspicuous difference" in black people.
The circle has now been squared for these muppets...

So we are endeavouring to understand what is wrong with people like you and others like you who have this compulsion to copy and paste on Irish discussion fora all this white supremacist ('white nationalist') online propaganda and other related simplistic nonsense and slogans such as you deal in.

The context is that these "influencers" of yours recruit at the fringes, from the exact same constituency of you and the Arsefielders - the young and naive, old but dumb as a bag of bricks, the malcontent, the dispossessed, the mentally sick etc.

The Radical Right Is Targeting Neurodivergent Groups - Rantt Media

Extremists have long targeted neurodivergent groups. Are they now more at risk? The answer isn't that simple.

rantt.com

Or recall the defense lawyer for those Capitol Hill "rioters". What did he put forward as the defense after talking to many of them? He said, they were “... all short-bus people. These are people with brain damage, they’re fucking retarded, they’re on the goddamn spectrum...”

So that is the point. Read the post again if the point sailed over your head.

 

[Electricity]

Jambo, the point was made clear, anyone could understand it.

I told you, I'm not interested in your general nonsense

I asked you, specifically, what point you were trying to make as regards AI (and chess), which is what your previous post incoherence mostly consisted of

So we are endeavouring to understand what is wrong with people like you and others like you who have this compulsion to copy and paste on Irish discussion fora all this white supremacist ('white nationalist') online propaganda and other related simplistic nonsense and slogans such as you deal in.

The context is that these "influencers" of yours recruit at the fringes, from the exact same constituency of you and the Arsefielders - the young and naive, old but dumb as a bag of bricks, the malcontent, the dispossessed, the mentally sick etc.

The Radical Right Is Targeting Neurodivergent Groups - Rantt Media

Extremists have long targeted neurodivergent groups. Are they now more at risk? The answer isn't that simple.

rantt.com

Or recall the defense lawyer for those Capitol Hill "rioters". What did he put forward as the defense after talking to many of them? He said, they were “... all short-bus people. These are people with brain damage, they’re fucking retarded, they’re on the goddamn spectrum...”

So that is the point. Read the post again if the point sailed over your head.

 

[Electricity]

#BackToChess

So after roc_abilly's attempt at derailing the thread with his "white supremacy" rubbish, let's get back to the chess.

And what better way to do it than to step back in time.

So as mentioned in post #58, roc was asked what is black's move in this game, which was subsequently the basis for the OP in my Chess thread on Arsefield's -



For which I posted a still from this position -



roc's answer (eventually) was, and I'm paraphrasing as the posts have since been deleted -

"Oh Jambo, anyone (who knows how to play chess) knows that white's knight is coming to swoop down to take black's queen or rook."

lofl.. Complete and utter BOLLOX (bafgarb)!

Of course, black only has one move (to defend against mate) Qe7 and then that draws a defender from his (twice attacked) bishop so he'll be down a piece, that's why Pinkamena has a little gloat. But to her surprise (and laughter) her young opponent (having a bad day ) completely misses it, mat.

 

[Electricity]

Mowl will be pleased to know that Pinkamena has gotten older (natural causes), improved her rating and is demolishing her opponents in quick time, watch -



(I'm happy to walk through that one for Mowl too if he so wants)

 

[Electricity]

Mowl will be pleased to know that Pinkamena has gotten older (natural causes), improved her rating and is demolishing her opponents in quick time, watch -

(I'm happy to walk through that one for Mowl too if he so wants)

Mowl has been begging me (by PM) to do that, but first..

 

[Electricity]

Musical Interlude

 

[Electricity]

Mowl will be pleased to know that Pinkamena has gotten older (natural causes), improved her rating and is demolishing her opponents in quick time, watch -



(I'm happy to walk through that one for Mowl too if he so wants)

So, as promised, I'll walk Mowl through this game.

I think we'll start here, after white plays Qg4 -



So it's said in chess that you shouldn't bring your queen out into the open too early, it's vulnerable to attack, forcing it to move, losing tempo and can even get trapped. But white's threat Qxg7 is very real, not only on black's g pawn but black's rook as well.

This must be defended against. Pinkamena chooses to defend with her king moving Kf8, which may seem like it was worth it for white because she's now lost castling rights. Pinkamena could have defended by pushing her g pawn but perhaps without a bishop to fianchetto she didn't like that option.

Moving forward a little bit.. black launches her first attack on white's queen with h5 -



White's queen is forced to move and then afterwards Pinkamena moves Ne7, she wants to move her knight next to f5, attacking white's queen again but white plays Bg5, pinning the knight (if she moves it the white bishop can take her queen).

I'll pause it there and ask Mowl to consider black's next move



(to be continued)...

 

[Electricity]

So, as promised, I'll walk Mowl through this game.

I think we'll start here, after white plays Qg4 -



So it's said in chess that you shouldn't bring your queen out into the open too early, it's vulnerable to attack, forcing it to move, losing tempo and can even get trapped. But white's threat Qxg7 is very real, not only on black's g pawn but black's rook as well.

This must be defended against. Pinkamena chooses to defend with her king moving Kf8, which may seem like it was worth it for white because she's now lost castling rights. Pinkamena could have defended by pushing her g pawn but perhaps without a bishop to fianchetto she didn't like that option.

Moving forward a little bit.. black launches her first attack on white's queen with h5 -



White's queen is forced to move and then afterwards Pinkamena moves Ne7, she wants to move her knight next to f5, attacking white's queen again but white plays Bg5, pinning the knight (if she moves it the white bishop can take her queen).

I'll pause it there and ask Mowl to consider black's next move



(to be continued)...

So where were we..

Yes, I think a lot of you would have seen black's next move, Qa5. So we're now here on the video (not long to go) -

So after Qa5, Pinkamena is out of the pin and white's a-pawn is hanging. White then plays the rather inexplicable Nh3 -

And that is a tough one to explain. You'd think if white was to move the knight it would be (the defensive) Ne2, try to shore up the position as white is now in serious peril.

Presumably Nh3 was with the intention of the knight joining a future kingside attack on Pinkamena's king, which is never going to happen because he's about to get mated.

(to be continued)...

 

[Electricity]

I wouldn't want to let the weekend pass by without finishing the walkthrough of this game for the Mowl.

So where were we..

Yes, after Qa5, Nh3.. What's black's next move? Here's the "photo" again -

First of all, a lot of eagle-eyed chess players will have noticed a major weakness in white's position - the doubled pawn on c3.

But it's currently defended by white's queen, so perhaps go ahead and gobble white's a-pawn, Qxa3? That leaves white without a pawn on the a and b files and black with a passer, or passed pawn on the a file. But let's not forget that they're playing blitz (speed chess) so longer term plans are arguably less of a factor.

But what would Qxa3 relinquish?

That's right, it would relinquish the pin (an absolute pin) on white's pawn on c3 and in fact Pinkamena can now play the very strong Nxd4 straight away (which I'm sure her opponent didn't cop).

But she's patient, she first plays what could be described as a zwischenzug (German) or intermezzo (Italian) in-between move, Nf5.

Remember we said that she wanted to move her knight to f5 to attack white's queen again?

After white's queen is forced to move with little option as to where, then the move Nxd4 is played which attacks the queen again, forcing it from the third rank and after Qxc3+, not fucking around, Pinkamena delivers the fatal blow in efficient manner. Checkmate.

Roll it there, Roisín (or Collette) -



(The End)