Are ye on the roight or the left, wha'?

[Mowl]

I used to bring a pile of Finnish newspapers back home with me to Dublin and I'd leave them on the bar in whatever place I was working on, then wait and see what happened when a drunk punter or some aul' fella picked it up. Fucking priceless to see their brains clambering about trying to figure out what the fuck it this.

Similiarly, I'd always bring a pile of Irish newspapers back with me. My Finnish friends would take a look and I could see their faces drop at the sudden realization that Ireland was really nothing like the music and craic said it to be. Poverty, homelessness, criminality, fake news, RTE news, the Sun, the Mirror. Even the Independent and Times. All celebrating the misery that is modern Ireland.

A coupleof years back I was up in the attic in my Mam's house and found a pile of papers from the 70s and 80s, including the Phoenix Park gig with John Paul II. Oh, the that one with the funniest headline I ever saw: 'COCAINE KILLED GERRY RYAN' which I framed and hung on the studio wall of fame for the lads to read.

Yeah - apparently, cocaine took a flying leap up Gerry's schnoz and that was that.

Terrible, so it is.

Only terrible.

 

[Electricity]

I think anyone can say what they like.

But we need to think about our idea that technology is always an unmitigated good.

Consider that back before the Internet, people like you could say what they liked down the back of some old man pub.

You could mutter about "de blacks", and how anti racist was a codeword for anti White, and how the world was conspiring against you, and all the rest of it, to your heart's content.

Now the Internet has done something with that nasty back of pub dynamic, massively amplified it, thereby putting people, and the "public good", at the mercy of the technology.

(No doubt that is not the only problem, for example just as big a problem with the technology is the amount of centralisation going on, with a few big players becoming "gatekeepers", where those few big players have built, basically, surveillance machines, profiling us and targeting us for ads etc.)

But as far as you and your ideological stupidity is concerned, what we're talking about is a technology problem, not a "free speech" problem.

Granted we are also talking about the associated problem where these are not opinions that people have developed themselves, but they have been "bought" off the shelf, so to speak.

So I don't want anyone put in jail for speaking how they want.

However I do think jail is the appropriate place for those who cynically profit from giving your type of dumb hateful rhetoric a platform, and those who publish it, those who sell it, for whatever nefarious rationale.

There is little doubt that the kind of tripe you want to more widely platform, essentially the exact same messages that the website "Stormfront" was created back in 1996 to propagate, make for a society that few would want to live in.

You have to protect society from that. If you want a society good to live in for you and your children.

So sure, have your "free speech", and mutter away in your tiny, backwater, bantustan-like websites, cut off from each other in the mould of Arsefields and Pish, and where there is proper oversight and monitoring by appropriate agencies of the brainless creeps who frequent these places, just in case this so called "nationalist" mumbo jumbo they are buying off the shelf does something to them that makes them likely to do something destructive.

So you're saying that you don't want people to be able to express opinions or truths that you don't like on the internet without fear of being imprisoned by your Mom & Pop?

As for the stories in the libraries, Jambo, well how else do you break the cycle if you're involved in that?

Doesn't study after study show that intergenerational transmission of prejudice is down to parents’ own blatant and subtle prejudice?

How else do you teach kids about the transgender community and overcome the prejudice of parents, prejudice that they pass on to their off-spring?

No other way to break the cycle.

So I would say it is not a case of forcing anything down anyone's throat, it is merely a case of introducing kids to members of their own community that they would not otherwise meet, and demonstrating to them that underneath their different exterior, and different ideas about themselves, that there are actually real, human, fun, idiosyncratic people, just like you and me, and like the kids themselves.

The alternative is to have the kids grow up, knowing nothing about these people, never having met them, therefore retaining the same ignorance and prejudice as their parents.

As far as I see it, Jambo, you can keep the world you have learned about from your porn sites, and from Morgosh, Collett and Woods, and let the kids alone to learn about a different world, from face to face real interaction and talking in a proper local community space.

Realise the only thing being "forced" is a counter force to the ignorance and prejudice and anti transgender "crusades" of people like you.

Especially, as I noted yesterday, and the day before, as the first shots in "the battle of the transgenders" were fired by your own far right wing conservative forces, the Roman Catholic Church - so understand that today the transgender community are really only finishing what you started.

The medicalisation element is something else, no doubt somewhat related, but again, it's a technology problem, more than a social or political problem, emanating from the same source, this idea or "faith" that technology provides unmitigated benefits, and one should just go ahead and exploit the technology, and too much consideration of its negatives is "anti-progress" or something.

Good parents don't bring their children to be groomed at drag shows

Of course I would also say the government and corporate forces are a problem. Unfortunately the likes of Jambo and compadres prevent that problem being addressed, they vindicate government, they take the focus away from them. Just because I rail against Jambo and his message, does not mean I think much of the message of government and their corporate allies. That shouldn't need to be said, but unfortunately in the current environment it apparently is necessary.

lol.. You really do live in a fantasy world.. I vindicate the government?

Is that why I've said that the government is illegitimate (failing in its first duty) and in fact means profound harm on the Irish people, therefore committing treason for which there is only one suitable punishment.. That's "vindication" ROTFLMAO

 

[Mowl]

So Jambo is so fraught with the general disarray of things all over the gaff that he wants to hang the entire Irish government?

How very novel.

No wonder he calls himself The Champ Chump.

 

[Electricity]

So Jambo is so fraught with the general disarray of things all over the gaff that he wants to hang the entire Irish government?

How very novel.

No wonder he calls himself The Champ Chump.

roc has less than ten stupid talking points and I'm familiar with all of them at this stage. His shtick with me "vindicating" the government will probably be along the lines of.. Because I'm a nationalist (real) and therefore take the spotlight of the government.. for not building enough houses for the colonisers or summat.

You're more interested in your personal vendetta with RTE and gimp Tubridy receiving backhanders.. but what do you think is the suitable punishment for treason?

 

[Mowl]

roc has less than ten stupid talking points and I'm familiar with all of them at this stage.

That's almost as many as you have so.

His shtick with me "vindicating" the government will probably be along the lines of.

Nobody gives a shite about anything you do or say, Jambo - quit kidding yourself, you unbearable dope.

. Because I'm a nationalist (real) and therefore take the spotlight of the government..

You're just another yap, Jambo - you can call yourself whatever you like, or whatever Mongoth/Woods/Collett suggested you call yourself. Your brand of 'real' nationalism? Making a plonker of yourself online - all day, every day.

You say you're this and that - I say you're just a another bum on the dole. You might like to think your opinions matter, but they matter only as much as your actions - which are zero. You're in bed until lunchtime, drunk every night on cheap yellow piss, and then you wander in here like a hobo - not even an arse in your pants.

for not building enough houses for the colonisers or summat.

You're a do-nothing knob-head, Jimmy - get real.

You're more interested in your personal vendetta with RTE and gimp Tubridy receiving backhanders..

Does your form of nationalism allow for state-employed thieves like Tubridy walk away while you're picking at your nose and eating your snots. I've asked you before how you express/manifest your brand of nationalism - that was over a year ago - still no answer.

Go back to bed, you stupid cunt.

but what do you think is the suitable punishment for treason?

Same as you - yawn, yawn, yawn.

 

[roc_abilly]

... His shtick with me "vindicating" the government will probably be along the lines of.. Because I'm a nationalist (pseudo) and therefore take the spotlight of the government.. for not building enough houses for the colonisers or summat... Is that why I've said that the government is illegitimate (failing in its first duty) and in fact means profound harm on the Irish people, therefore committing treason for which there is only one suitable punishment.. That's "vindication" ROTFLMAO

I'm sure every crook in history, every bank robber, every kidnapper, and in your case, every conspiracist minded idiot who ever thought their personal failures were down to some shadowy external forces, everyone who ever had a pathological disregard for and/or vendetta against their own society, has said something similar about their government and its police.

Of course government and police was largely constituted to protect the normal citizen from such anti society types. Therefore they vindicate government and police. I.e. If it wasn't for their existence we wouldn't need protection from them. Come on, this should not be difficult to follow even for a sub-imbecile like yourself.

FYI, the Irish government don't mean harm, their institutional failings are systemic in nature.

 

[Mowl]

FYI, the Irish government don't mean harm, their institutional failings are systemic in nature.

I agree, but in reality this has to be tackled. The Irish government is fraught with utterly inadequate horse traders and drunk auctioneers. One generation shy from the land, thinking they're Irish royalty and men of substance. Rather than clod-hopping turf/bog diggers and farm hands. And every time they fuck things up they trot out the same tired old bullshit forgiving themselves and telling you it's time to move on, not look back at a litany of failures and failures on top of failures.

They insist that it's YOU who has the problem - not them. YOU spend too much time looking at the 'bad' and ignoring the 'good'. Of course, these terms are meaningless in as much as they're bullshit. But the Irish just do what they're told and they fly the flag regardless of the shitty conditions they live in under an incapable government that's been bought and sold so many times over it has zero credibility.

But still Paddy sits there - or more accurately: still Jambo and his tweet posting gang sit there.

These gombs seem to think that posting tweets will cure Ireland of her ills.

What an utterly dismal way to waste a life?

Your children will grow up to despise you. I'm sure many already do but what's coming down the line over the next few decades under a crippled two party state will be even worse again. You've already stopped moaning about RTE and Tubridy's ill-gotten gains. You're likely looking for the next great debacle to moan about as you read this post. What went before is nothing to what comes next.

But by all means - sit there, take it like a Buddhist monk setting himself alight.

You're utterly fucking useless - you and your A Team.

 

[roc_abilly]

... These gombs seem to think that posting tweets will cure Ireland of her ills...

They think that by spreading their particular -ism that will change things.

And it is true that widely held belief in certain ideas create the pervasive reality. Ideas like communism, capitalism, atheism, nazism, catholicism back in medieval times in Europe, or not even fifty years ago in this country.

So they have this idea of this pseudo national-ism of theirs, an American strain of "nationalism" originally, that emphasises rights based on the colour of one's skin etc.

That idea animates them, and they seek to spread the consciousness of it, telling people that is the solution to their problems, their grievances, and making appeal to the base nature that is in some people.

They are not seeking to correct existing problems or improve the current systems, to make them work better for us, or cure its ills. Rather they seek to supplant the current ideas with their own ideas.

Look on the front page of Arsefields, Jambo's spirirtual home (that he will eventually return to like the prodigal son) and see what is on there for illustration:

You have the "Whites under Attack!" thread attacking the idea that we should work to end structural racism and discrimination and promote equality and solidarity, aiming to supplant that idea with the idea that in fact it is white people who are under threat and under attack by blacks.

You have the Ukraine thread to promote the idea that national boundaries can and should be changed by violence, and that democratically-elected governments may be overthrown by foreign invasion.

You have the 'Covid 19 Vaccine Thread' to promote the idea that government is conspiring with big business to intentionally harm and kill you.

You have the "Is The Economy Just Now Falling Apart" thread to implant the idea that the old world is collapsing, with the implication that the new world of these ideologues, guns and butter and silver and so on, is standing by ready to take its place.

You have 'The Climate Change scam' thread to promote the idea that everything that is being said about our changing climate by our scientists and their institutions, and the dangers in that change, is in fact all an orchestrated scam, again done to intentionally harm the citizen.

Those are just the top seven of the threads currently displaying on the page, the rest are all in the same vein, they all seek to subvert and invert existing ideas and beliefs, towards siupplanting them with a new set of beliefs, a new -ism.

It is harmful. For it is clearly a very base propaganda, in fact of the exact same type of propaganda that over two decades paved the way in the consciousness of the German people for the horrors that succeeded.

Similarly not so long ago ideas like colonialism, imperialism, slavery, serfdom, "masters and men", and the like seemed perfectly reasonable; they do not anymore.

No doubt either that many of our current ideas are questionable. But what is being proposed by these ideologues on the back of these problems is a thousand times worse.

Anyway, point being, I do think there is a battle of ideas, and a lot of that battle is being fought out on the internet. Perhaps fora like this may seem inconsequential in that battle, but every changed consciousness in these terms we are speaking in, is a real conquest, or a real loss. Thoughts turn to words turn to deeds.

Or perhaps it's not even down to the promoters of this propaganda like Jambo, it is in fact something innate in the technology, that I touched on before. However, something is having an effect, you can observe that the real environment is changing, it is changing for the worse, I think a lot of it is down to what is coming out of the "internet".

You're utterly fucking useless - you and your A Team.

Yes, and that is probably what lies at the root of the problem, and their susceptibility to these messages.

 

[Lumpy Von Talbot]

Mongo just Dublin Bay Prawn in game of life.

 

[Mowl]

Mongo just Dublin Bay Prawn in game of life.

I love the fact that the prawns feed mostly on the untreated human shit and effluent in the bay - then sold on to the restaurants to serve to their customers. Like a lot of things in Ireland - even the sale and consumption of prawns is inspired by - and a result of - shite.

 

[Electricity]

I'm sure every crook in history, every bank robber, every kidnapper, and in your case, every conspiracist minded idiot who ever thought their personal failures were down to some shadowy external forces, everyone who ever had a pathological disregard for and/or vendetta against their own society, has said something similar about their government and its police.

Of course government and police was largely constituted to protect the normal citizen from such anti society types. Therefore they vindicate government and police. I.e. If it wasn't for their existence we wouldn't need protection from them. Come on, this should not be difficult to follow even for a sub-imbecile like yourself.

You think the government is "vindicated" because of nationalists like me

FYI, the Irish government don't mean harm, their institutional failings are systemic in nature.

Of course they do, every single day. And following orders is not an excuse

 

[roc_abilly]

I love the fact that the prawns feed mostly on the untreated human shit and effluent in the bay - then sold on to the restaurants to serve to their customers. Like a lot of things in Ireland - even the sale and consumption of prawns is inspired by - and a result of - shite.

Aye, Jambo is fed on shite, on the untreated human effluent of the intersnots, then served up in Arsefields Virtual pub, where they specialise in shite, that fat fool Dan behind the bar mixing up prawn cocktails of shite for his dumb customers who don't know better than to consume shite.

 

[roc_abilly]

You think the government is "vindicated" because of nationalists like me

Shut up Jambo, you're not a nationalist you're a thick shite with a prawn like head on you.

 

[Electricity]

They think that by spreading their particular -ism that will change things.

And it is true that widely held belief in certain ideas create the pervasive reality. Ideas like communism, capitalism, atheism, nazism, catholicism back in medieval times in Europe, or not even fifty years ago in this country.

So they have this idea of this pseudo national-ism of theirs, an American strain of "nationalism" originally, that emphasises rights based on the colour of one's skin etc.

That idea animates them, and they seek to spread the consciousness of it, telling people that is the solution to their problems, their grievances, and making appeal to the base nature that is in some people.

They are not seeking to correct existing problems or improve the current systems, to make them work better for us, or cure its ills. Rather they seek to supplant the current ideas with their own ideas.

Look on the front page of Arsefields, Jambo's spirirtual home (that he will eventually return to like the prodigal son) and see what is on there for illustration:

You have the "Whites under Attack!" thread attacking the idea that we should work to end structural racism and discrimination and promote equality and solidarity, aiming to supplant that idea with the idea that in fact it is white people who are under threat and under attack by blacks.

You have the Ukraine thread to promote the idea that national boundaries can and should be changed by violence, and that democratically-elected governments may be overthrown by foreign invasion.

You have the 'Covid 19 Vaccine Thread' to promote the idea that government is conspiring with big business to intentionally harm and kill you.

You have the "Is The Economy Just Now Falling Apart" thread to implant the idea that the old world is collapsing, with the implication that the new world of these ideologues, guns and butter and silver and so on, is standing by ready to take its place.

You have 'The Climate Change scam' thread to promote the idea that everything that is being said about our changing climate by our scientists and their institutions, and the dangers in that change, is in fact all an orchestrated scam, again done to intentionally harm the citizen.

Those are just the top seven of the threads currently displaying on the page, the rest are all in the same vein, they all seek to subvert and invert existing ideas and beliefs, towards siupplanting them with a new set of beliefs, a new -ism.

It is harmful. For it is clearly a very base propaganda, in fact of the exact same type of propaganda that over two decades paved the way in the consciousness of the German people for the horrors that succeeded.

Similarly not so long ago ideas like colonialism, imperialism, slavery, serfdom, "masters and men", and the like seemed perfectly reasonable; they do not anymore.

No doubt either that many of our current ideas are questionable. But what is being proposed by these ideologues on the back of these problems is a thousand times worse.

Anyway, point being, I do think there is a battle of ideas, and a lot of that battle is being fought out on the internet. Perhaps fora like this may seem inconsequential in that battle, but every changed consciousness in these terms we are speaking in, is a real conquest, or a real loss. Thoughts turn to words turn to deeds.

Or perhaps it's not even down to the promoters of this propaganda like Jambo, it is in fact something innate in the technology, that I touched on before. However, something is having an effect, you can observe that the real environment is changing, it is changing for the worse, I think a lot of it is down to what is coming out of the "internet".


Yes, and that is probably what lies at the root of the problem, and their susceptibility to these messages.

You're literally one of the few remaining (sad bastards) posting Covidian stuff on Gaychat. Almost all Covidians dropped it after the television did, but not you

you're not a nationalist

Eh yeah, I am

And no amount of you spouting your off-the-shelf bullshit is going to change that

 

[roc_abilly]

You're literally one of the few remaining (enlightened masters) posting Covidian stuff...

Yeah, my judgement on it being a lot worse than "the flu" hasn't changed much, and I have not seen the evidence to make me change my opinion. Actually conversely, I see it continually corroborated. E.g.

What SARS-CoV-2 Does to the Body (2nd Edition, July 2023)

An Incomplete and Growing Resource

www.panaccindex.info

But what are you basing your judgement on? On Morgosh and Woods telling you it's all a conspiracy of "Covidians"? Anyway, this is a slow moving train wreck, Jambo, so let's see how it plays out, the facts will come clear in the end, no doubt no one wants to hear about it anymore.

 

[roc_abilly]

Eh yeah, I am

Eh no, you're not. Your creed is plainly white supremacist, your re-branding of yourself has no credibility in anyone's eyes except your own.

 

[Electricity]

But what are you basing your judgement on? On Morgosh and Woods telling you it's all a conspiracy of "Covidians"?

No

 

[Lumpy Von Talbot]

I love Ireland's white master race. They are the most unlikely Spartans you'll ever see. Almost as good as the American type which you recognise by the squeak as they waddle by.

 

[roc_abilly]

... Good parents don't bring their children to be groomed at drag shows...

Here's one journalist at least who has made some effort to get at the facts, that give the lie to the kind of tweets and telegrams that have so easily painted such a picture in your tiny deranged skull.

Analysis: 'Terrifying' LGBTQ+ event in Tralee aims to drag us back to the past

Aoife Gallagher charts the rise of anger and misinformation around a lighthearted LGBTQ+ family storytime event in Tralee recently.

www.thejournal.ie

 

[Mowl]

Odd how The Journal allow comments on some articles of interest while not allowing them on others.