Why housing is so expensive today.

[Mowl]

Put a deliberate choke on supply into any market and the price of the commodity will rise.

You mean more or less exactly like RTE?

In Ireland's case it is the only way for senior civil servants to look richer than they actually are.

That and leather elbow patches on their tailored silk jackets.

Anything else anyone wants to know?

How long?

How long must we sing this song?

 

[Lumpy Von Talbot]

Until the fat lady steps up, the Mowl. Otherwise as soon as the property funds detect there is a better yield in some other financial instrument than the superheated Irish property market. At which point they will exodus and dump an inordinate amount of residential property on the market all at the same time and the little people ('small landlords') will all start screaming as the house price they've borrowed against for the Mercedes, the school feels and the four holidays abroad starts to head south.

At that point bailout will be in the air.

 

[David]

Gombeen landlords must laugh to themselves when they see hundreds of people begging to be allowed rent their shithole properties at exorbitant prices.

---

 

[Electricity]

Put a deliberate choke on supply into any market and the price of the commodity will rise. In Ireland's case it is the only way for senior civil servants to look richer than they actually are.

There's nothing unique to Ireland with new housing stock not matching demand because of forced, mass immigration. It's a symptom of the policy of white genocide

Anything else anyone wants to know?

No, I already know that your thread is gatekeeping

 

[Lumpy Von Talbot]

Skin colour has nothing to do with it. Now that everyone in Ireland who matters is technically very rich because of their house price they need to inherit a new poor to wipe their arses for them when they are too old to do it themselves and they only want to pay minimum wage, a bit like hiring minimum wage workers in Dubai who all have to be attracted in from overseas.

And then spend the rest of their lives complaining about young Irish people emigrating and not staying in Ireland to wipe their arses for them. With a bit of luck they'll import some Spartacus by mistake who will go on a euthenasia spree.

I'd stay up late to watch that.

 

[Electricity]

Skin colour has nothing to do with it.

Couldn't agree more, skin colour has nothing to do with anything

Now that everyone in Ireland who matters is technically very rich because of their house price they need to inherit a new poor to wipe their arses for them when they are too old to do it themselves and they only want to pay minimum wage, a bit like hiring minimum wage workers in Dubai who all have to be attracted in from overseas.

And then spend the rest of their lives complaining about young Irish people emigrating and not staying in Ireland to wipe their arses for them.

 

[Mowl]

2100 p/m

Until the fat lady steps up, the Mowl. Otherwise as soon as the property funds detect there is a better yield in some other financial instrument than the superheated Irish property market. At which point they will exodus and dump an inordinate amount of residential property on the market all at the same time and the little people ('small landlords') will all start screaming as the house price they've borrowed against for the Mercedes, the school feels and the four holidays abroad starts to head south.

At that point bailout will be in the air.

Y'know the way America's full of those mobile home neighbourhoods?

The Phoenix Park would house thousands of them, over by the Papal cross for example.

Gombeen landlords must laugh to themselves when they see hundreds of people begging to be allowed rent their shithole properties at exorbitant prices.

I thank the bejayzus fuck for getting out before I'd ever have to do that.

Has to be one of the most soul-destroying things lining up with dozens of immigrants to find a place to fucking live in your own city.

The upcoming euthanasia legislation is likely stalled by the fact that they know already that as soon as it's legal, the pensioners with start popping off this mortal coil at a rate not seen since The Great Hunger.

Fucked.

There's nothing unique to Ireland with new housing stock not matching demand because of forced, mass immigration. It's a symptom of the policy of white genocide

Most of the sad bastards living in tents are immigrants, Jambo.

A large number of Irish citizens living in tents (not in the city centre shanty towns) park their tents out the back garden of enighbourhoods like Ballyer, Tallaght, Clondalkin, etc. Those fuckers have it really bad because regardless of their access to a family kitchen and toilet, washing machine and drying machine, their family units are falling apart, being drained of all sense of fortitude and patience in dealing with this horrible situation.

Imagine having to ask your granny if you can pitch a tent out back?

Or convert her shed to fit the tent?

And still your government maintains an open-door policy to any and every vagabond from across the planet?

You wanna know why both Varadkar and Coveney are getting the fuck out?

To do a Bertie on it: 'it was fine when I left it..'

Sadly, your response to all that palaver is to post another telegram from some dopey 'nationalist' cunt in a Penney's jumper and bad haircut.

Skin colour has nothing to do with it. Now that everyone in Ireland who matters is technically very rich because of their house price they need to inherit a new poor to wipe their arses for them when they are too old to do it themselves and they only want to pay minimum wage, a bit like hiring minimum wage workers in Dubai who all have to be attracted in from overseas.

And then spend the rest of their lives complaining about young Irish people emigrating and not staying in Ireland to wipe their arses for them.

Zing!

It's like déjà vu: they did all this same shit in the late nineties through the noughties: one musician friend of mine had a Polish cleaning lady come twice a week.

In fairness, he lived like a pig - but still: Irish musicians with housekeepers?

 

[Lumpy Von Talbot]

Going to be great when the new Irish decide they want their own representative political party because they don't feel hugely welcome at the FG and FF Ard Fheis. The Crumlin JanjaWeed Liberation Front trouncing Fianna Fail at the polls.

Class.

 

[Lumpy Von Talbot]

Hopefully at the same time the seawater starts to flood the golf courses of Florida so Hank and Marvetta will be on the other channel being chased across the 11th green by massive alligators come to claim their new kingdom of the expanded Everglades from overweight huffing Republicans and their zonked children.

Back to Channel 64 from Dublin where some evangelical preacher holding a Bible with lots of crossed out bits in Biro is giving an acceptance speech while some very, very white elderly Johnjoes in the background are all having to stand there defeated with cheesy grins and wondering is it too late to head for Portugal.

I'm going to need a lot of crisps and Fanta.

 

[Electricity]

2100 p/m


Y'know the way America's full of those mobile home neighbourhoods?

The Phoenix Park would house thousands of them, over by the Papal cross for example.



I thank the bejayzus fuck for getting out before I'd ever have to do that.

Has to be one of the most soul-destroying things lining up with dozens of immigrants to find a place to fucking live.

The upcoming euthanasia legislation is likely stalled by the fact that they know already that ass soon as it's legal, the pensioners with start popping off this mortal coil at a rate not seen sine The Great Hunger.

Fucked.

Most of the sad bastards living intents are immigrants, Jambo.

Most of the immigrants aren't the sad bastards living intents [sic]

Gosh, you're dumb

A large number of Irish citizens living in tents (not in the city centre shanty towns) park their tents out the back garden of enighbourhoods like Ballyer, Tallaght, Clondalkin, etc. Those fuckers have it really bad because regardless of their access to a family kitchen and toilet, washing machine and drying machine, their family units are falling apart, being drained of all sense of fortitude and patience in dealing with this horrible situation.

Imagine having to ask your granny if you can pitch a tent out back?

Or convert her shed to fit the tent?

And still your government maintains an open-door policy to any and every vagabond from across the planet?

You wanna know why both Varadkar and Coveney are getting the fuck out?

To do a Bertie on it: 'it was fine when I left it..'

Sadly, your response to all that palaver is to post another telegram from some dopey 'nationalist' cunt in a Penney's jumper and bad haircut.



Zing!

It's like déjà vu: they did all this same shit in the late nineties through the noughties: one musician friend of mine had a Polish cleaning lady come twice a week.

In fairness, he lived like a pig - but still: Irish musicians with housekeepers?

 

[Mowl]

Most of the immigrants aren't the sad bastards living intents [sic]

Gosh, you're dumb

I should hook you up with Eamonn Augstine Deegan, that Nazi nice chap from Facebook BBBB and the Nazi Boy salute outside the Google HQ down the docks.

You two would get along like a house on fire.

If you had a house, that is.

 

[Electricity]

Bedtime Mowl, bedtime

 

[Mowl]

Bedtime Mowl, bedtime

Goodnight, dear Jimmy - and don't be letting them nasty bloggers get under your skin slagging you off on your late night chat-room sessions.

Your Ma was dead right when she said that you're 'special' - in more ways than one.

 

[Electricity]

Night, night sweet charlie.

I'm actually thinking of watching a movie myself (very rare for me).

Of course, I don't pay for that shit and the sites seem to come and go.. This one seems pretty reliable, extensive range and just a few ads to dismiss and then you're good to go -

Watch Free Online HD Movies | RidoMovies

Watch high quality movies for free without registration. Just click and play video with online streaming service.

ridomovies.tv

Maybe if your old VHS cassette of 'Good Morning, Vietnam' is getting a bit wobbly you could find it there instead.

Which movie for me? Emm, I'm thinking 'Oppenheimer', written and directed by Chris Nolan, the one the Irish kid won the best actor Oscar for -



See what all the fuss is about.

 

[roc_abilly]

This thread has to be the biggest joke on Isle

Why housing is so expensive today.

Three pages, no answers

There are answers if you looked, Jambo.

But what you're looking for is the essence of populism. I.e. The simple answer to the cause and effect question.

But really causation is complex when you're dealing with social and economic systems, Jambo.

Incidentally, no algorithm has ever come near the human brain to work out causation - at least a well informed, well working brain, Jambo.

Not an empty, autistic "chess" brain like yours, Jambo.

Where do you even start.

Well let's start - what's happening now in our property market Jambo is a direct result or consequence of everything that has ever happened in our property market.

Yes, even of age old happenings like say the rezoning corruption in the period 1963-1971 that lead to an average of 530% speculative windfall profit on “serviced” land (undeveloped land which has the main services of water, sewerage and drainage close to it) across Dublin.

And of course happenings like the 1997-2007 Bertie bubble era when we intentionally overheated the economy with lower tax, and tax incentives, and refused to countenance counter-cyclical policies at the voting booths.

Not forgetting the SSIAs, and deregulation. The media stoking all the worst elements.

Then to stop an implosion we solicited the massive US private equity and venture capital funds, promising them advantages and giving them formal reassurances, if they would only come in and as Lenihan put it, "put a floor under the market".

And of course the immigrants were needed too, to play their part in all the above.

Where does it start and end, Jambo? How even do you ever square this circle, Jambo?

Well the wise men, say the indigenous natives of America, or other indigenous, might look up from their pipes and say to you, "look within you, my son".

What do you see there, Jambo?

A man-child who wants out of what he calls "the rat race"?

Hmmm.

And look over here - here are previous incarnations of those who have gravitated to the simple answers, just like you Jambo - these are incarnations from seventeen year ago. Listen to their excitement at getting out of the "rat race", Jambo:

Daft.ie : Sales : First Time Buyers

Are you there in that thread too, Jambo, seventeen years ago?

But you see there are exactly the people who today blame immigrants, the EU, the "Bankers", the "financial elites", the "Zionists", the "neocons", the "bilderbergers", the "faceless bureaucrats", the "Azov", etc, who all have somehow conspired against them.

And Jambo here's the most serious part - what will happen is that populists will come and give them the answers that they want to hear.

Now that's when "cause and effect" will really get going.

When the realisation will slowly make itself felt that all of our thoughts, our words, our deeds, have consequences, effects, in this life.

We ain't seen nothing yet.

 

[Electricity]

Like I said, it's all gatekeeping. You (try to) gatekeep and slander (white) nationalism with whatever lie takes your fancy.

That's all you really do. That and shilling for Israel.

You're a rather disgusting anti-human Jew.

Now, I must get back to my movie..

 

[Lumpy Von Talbot]

Fuck off with the antisemitic shite, Jambo. And stuff the general nazi crap up your arse.

 

[roc_abilly]

Like I said, it's all gatekeeping. You (try to) gatekeep and slander (white) nationalism with whatever lie takes your fancy.

I'd say it's quite the opposite of "gatekeepng", Jambo.

For I'd like you to take responsibility, for yourself, for the institutions, the politicians, the mores, that you actually may exercise control over, subject to an intelligent logic.

Rather than pointing outwards, to abstractions, imaginary things.

I would like you to see how you are being manipulated, and the futility of believing in abstractions like the "white race", that has become the central object of passionate nationalistic feeling for you, an abstraction that you have sunk your individuality into.

I want you to understand how the world actually works, its politics and economics, actual cause and effect, and pull you away from all that simplistic conspiracist thinking, your white supremacists, covid deniers, NWO and "globohomo" conspiracists, and all the rest.

I'd like you to stop subtituting slogans for thinking, and so passively watching all those videos every day that numb your faculties, that cynically target your emotions and preexisting resentments, grievances and insecurities.

I'd like you to get real, stop being so passive, non-productive, and see your way through these irrationalistic philosophies, racialist and antisemitic analyses, and conspiracist world-views.

"... The central belief of every moron is that he is the victim of a mysterious conspiracy against his common rights and true deserts…[he] ascribes all his failures to get on in the world, all of his congenital incapacity and damfoolishness, to the machinations of werewolves assembled in Wall Street, or some other such den of infamy.” (Mencken)

These things disenfrachise, disempower and render you easy pickings for evil, stupid men, Jambo.

So what's the opposite of "gatekeeper"?

 

[roc_abilly]

... That and shilling for Israel.

You're a rather disgusting anti-human Jew.

I'm not a Jew.

So why do I choose to present their defence to the accusations, to the assumptions that are made about them, the stereotypes that are held about them?

To howls of protest?

Well those howls have served me well in the past, as a guide to thought and words.

But, here again Jambo the world is complex. Cause and effect is complex.

And what antisemitism does is it takes complex world events and gives them a clear, simple cause: the evil Jews ("Zionists").

Simplistic cause and effect winds me up. It's the root of heinous populism.

So I gain a certain satisfaction trying to render the true complexity, or at least work towards it.

And perhaps another satisfaction in seeing the reaction to that, to their dogma of this "simple cause" being undermined by the complex reality, a truer representation of the world.

It also strikes me how the current rhetoric in Ireland and places like South Africa are akin to how the Assad regime in Syria drew on a continual anti-Israel propaganda.

That propaganda in Syria specifically served to mask domestic problems and obtain political gains.

Is that why our own politicians do it here? I think so, not consciously, but unconsciously.

Back on topic, no politician, no political, social or economic pundit in this country acknowledges cause and effect in our property market in its fullness.

"La cause unique de la depression, c'est la prosperite" - Clement Juglar, famous nineteenth century Economist).

They can't acknowledge what "killed the property market", made it impossible for young people without wealthy parents to live their lives in this country outside debilitating indenturship.

That denial opens up the way for your mob to shout "it wuz the immigrants done it...". (No one adequately corrects this mob, because they prefer even this explanation to the truth).

And indeed it brings to mind how Bashar Assad used to blame Jews for everything bad that ever happened under his rule, he even declared to his subjects things like, "Jews have tried to kill the principles of all religions with the same mentality in which they betrayed Jesus Christ".

So I listen to the likes of Simon Harris declare that Irish people are ‘repulsed’ by Israel's actions.

But clearly he has no idea of the details, the reality, he has no clue of the discussions around the tables of Israel's government, or the tables of the Hamas government, or what actually is transpiring in the field, or anything else at all, actually.

And Michael Martin the exact same. For illustration here is a letter written to this Cork institutionalised duffer fourteen years ago about his doing the exact same thing as regards Gaza as they are all doing now.

Dear Foreign Minister Martin,

I'm an admirer of Ireland, a country whose charm, culture, and beauty have all captivated me. And, as a Jew, I always identified with William Butler Yeats' famous quote, "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy."

But reading your recent op-ed, "Gaza a Year Later," in the International Herald Tribune, was another story entirely.

Is it naiveté? Do you really believe that "the medieval siege conditions" you describe in Gaza are nothing more than an Israeli desire to inflict harm on another people, as if Israel were not governed by a moral code deeply embedded in its DNA?

Is it ignorance? Are you unaware of what's been going on in Gaza, including the brutal nature of Hamas rule, the smuggling of ever more sophisticated weapons, or the thousands of rocket attacks launched against Israel?

Is it fear? Are you seeking to ensure that Ireland doesn't come in the crosshairs of global jihadists?

Is it projection? Do you assume that all the people of Gaza today want nothing more than the people of Galway, namely, peace on earth and good will toward men?

Is it transference? Do you see the Gazans as the Catholics of Northern Ireland, even if Catholic nationalists never called for Britain's destruction as Hamas calls for Israel's every day?

Someone without any knowledge of the region would deduce from your article that Israel, having nothing else to do, simply decided one day to make life unbearable for neighboring Gaza.

You write of a "humanitarian crisis," "despair and hopelessness," and "a population traumatized and reduced to poverty by an unjust and completely counterproductive blockade." And you pull at heartstrings by trying to portray life in Gaza through two children, ages 15 and 10, whose "commitment to the values of human rights and respectful dialogue" shines through the otherwise unremittingly bleak landscape.

Mr. Minister, something is missing from your op-ed. It is as if you simply dropped by parachute into Gaza and described what you saw, or more precisely what you were shown, without ever asking yourself how it came to be. Your narrative recalls other instances where outside observers misread conditions in largely unfamiliar authoritarian societies. They were not able to grasp what was really going on beyond the surface.

Surely, though, more should be expected of the foreign minister of an EU member state -- even one that remained studiously neutral both in the Second World War and Cold War; apologized to the Jewish people in 2003 for a wartime "culture of muted anti-Semitism in Ireland" and a policy that "behind closed doors was antipathetic, hostile, and unfeeling toward the Jews"; and has not been known in the EU as particularly sympathetic to Israel.

The fact of the matter is that you absolve Gaza of all responsibility for its own predicament, instead placing it squarely in Israel's lap.

Hamas merits exactly one passing mention in your piece. That's the sum total. How can that be? Hamas has single-handedly ruled Gaza since 2007, when it violently ousted Fatah forces from the area. Yet you utterly fail to address this obvious fact.

Pray tell, what is Hamas -- just another political party in the Western democratic mold? What does Hamas stand for? Human rights or human wrongs? Political pluralism or pietistic purity? Mutual respect or medieval repression? Peaceful coexistence or violent conflict? Education for tolerance or hate?

As it is, despite being in a state of war, Israel permits substantial humanitarian supplies to cross its border with Gaza every day. Of course, what happens to those supplies once in Gaza is another matter. Periodic reports suggest that distribution is inadequate because much of what arrives is siphoned off for political or economic gain by officials, syndicates, or gangs.

Mr. Minister, it is in Israel's interests for Gaza to emerge as a stable, moderate, and prosperous region. What country -- be it Israel or any other -- would wish to have an Iranian-supported terrorist enclave on its borders proclaiming the joy of jihad and diverting much of its resources to weapons?

But Israel cannot act in a vacuum, as if it didn't face such a stark reality. Forgive me, but for you, it's much simpler. You come for a day or two, pronounce your views, and return to Dublin -- and to a European Union that is anchored in democratic values, protection of human dignity, and peaceful relations among its 27 members.

Sadly, that era hasn't yet dawned in Israel's rough-and-tumble neighborhood.

As long as Gaza is more intent on Israel's destruction than its own construction, as long as Hamas is in charge and pursues its Muslim Brotherhood agenda, as long as Iran stands squarely by Gaza's side, and as long as young children -- including the two you met -- are seen as grist for the martyrs' mill, then what does the future hold?

And, respectfully, as long as Western officials infantilize the people of Gaza by lifting all responsibility for their fate from their own shoulders, then they are not helping, either. It's high time to stop whitewashing, sidestepping, or rationalizing the situation, or pretending that Israel hasn't abandoned any claims on Gaza, which it did nearly five years ago. The people of Gaza have been given their first chance in history to chart their own future. What future will they choose?

If you really care about those two children, as I am sure you do and we all should, then it's high time to challenge the real hurdles they face -- beginning with the people who currently govern Gaza and the dead-end path they have opted to pursue.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dear-irish-foreign-minist_b_528593

Exact same as now, isn't it. And around and around it goes.

 

[Mowl]

Awesome.

Haven't seen Jambo take such a beating in quite some time.

And as per - he's licking his wounds and biding his time, waiting for something/anything to grasp onto to defend his bullshit process. Some hysteria about these damned foreigners owning houses when he can't even afford to rent a room by himself. Still living at home with his Da and some woman his oul fella turned to after Jambo's Ma kicked the bucket and left him to fend for himself.

Unfortunately, Jambo's not very good at finding solutions to problems - let alone even admit they exist.

He knows that, realistically speaking, his only real chance is to get out and make his way (even for one decade) somewhere else in order to circumvent the issues he faces in Ireland regarding his un-employability and general malaise of his own uselessness. He doesn't stand a chance anywhere else outside of Ireland, nor can he afford to take any chances what with the dole not being able to stretch to meet the necessities. Necessities like a one-way flight to anywhere. Maybe Australia? He tried that before, a sort of gap year spent lounging on the beaches of down under drinking Foster's and hanging around other people's beach parties scrounging the chicken wings and prawns.

His CV is a list of (now deleted) posts on a variety of chat sites - it represents his only activities over the last five years.

Had he put his shoulder to the wheel, he might today have a savings account with enough in it to put down a deposit on a house/flat/apartment/tent/shed to call his own. But he's not interested in that: he knows his Da sees things the same way. That Jambo's only chance is to hang on until the oul fella also kicks the bucket to inherit a gaff on some sprawl estate to call his castle and build some tall fences around it to keep Abdul and Jamal at bay. At the moment, he has Varadkar and simple Simon to blame. Those two are the most recent fuckers to tinker with the housing problem. Last night simple Simon was talking about building 250,000 houses between Tuesday next and 2030. This from the Fine Gael minister whose party have been in government for fifteen fucking years and haven't built even one house that isn't infected with pyrite, mould, rain water under the sink estates, shitty design and crappy materials slapped together by some Polish and Lithuanian lads with shoulders broader than Jambo's. Simon's in fighting-fit form: full of noise and excitement, but sadly far too young for the job at hand. The only reason he's there is because nobody else wanted the gig - so he has to make it look like he's both up for it and excited about it.

Coveney walked. Varadkar's walking as I write. The party's over. You need some seriously professional and willing cleaning staff to scrub those sewers and get things moving again - but sadly the way ahead is blocked by shite, garbage, used tents, rotten sleeping bags, the gutters running with piss and the stench of yesterday's fish supper wrapped in the headlines about a bright future ahead for those who have faith in simple Simon's 'one size fits all' grand plan to house everyone, even the lads from Syria and Latvia, Poland, Brazil, Argentina, Nigeria, and Estonia.

No - wait: not Estonia, they're actually doing really fucking well for themselves. They don't even hate the Finns anymore for being two steps ahead of them regarding both the EU and NATO, their digital-age capabilities far out-reaching Ireland's, they're keeping their heads down and the economy in check. Not for them to fling cheap loans at their poorest, the Estonians make a point of refusing to level and rebuild the historic blitzkreig areas to the north of the Old Town. They want those shells of houses to stand as a testimony to how long they suffered under Russian imperialism before they decided to stand on their own two feet. Now they meet the Finns eye to eye, not as their servants.

Ireland? She can't even see as far as Estonia, never mind a few hundred miles further north into Finland, the world's happiest country for the seventh year running. Ireland compares herself to Germany, America, Great Britain, and France. When in reality she's on the same level or lower than Latvia and her neighbours. If Ireland were to get her head out of her arse, she might take a serious and studious look at the Finnish model, because all the comparatives are already there: population, age as a republic, school aged, working aged, retirement aged people? All the same in both countries, but Ireland's far too busy distracting herself on her minor successes like the football or the Eurovision. A hopeless case. A Bay City Roller in the time of Children Of Bodom.

Outclassed.

Outsmarted.

On her knees.

And what's Jambo's solution?

The slabs of Dutch Gold and the faux outrage at his being poked at by realists who are really only trying to help the stupid fucker out, but like a blind man drowning in the sea, he struggles to avoid any helping hand and goes down with the poop and piss and becomes one more Dublin Bay prawn. On a stick. Over a bonfire. His arse being slowly cooked and tenderized so the incoming hordes have a bite to eat on arrival to check in to their four star hotels and empty office blocks. The saddest part being, the poor fool hasn't even got a tent of his own. Nor a sleeping bag. He spent it all on Dutch Gold and suffered years of hangovers waiting for the Old Man to die so he could secure a roof for himself.

It'd be a terrible shame that after the funeral, Jambo gets to look at the books - only to realize his Old Man already sold him out for drink money.

Meanwhile, even the youth of Estonia's laughing at him, they know they're next in line on the 'World's Happiest' stakes.