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Irish Nationalism and Catholicism (E.g. The National Party).

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It is indeed striking how in the NP, Catholicism plays a central role.

"Romantic Ireland's dead and gone. It's with O'Leary in the grave."

Of course John O'Leary was an Irish Nationalist whose vision of Nationalism was opposed to the existence of religious biases in Irish public life. (This of course made him very unpopular with the Catholic Church).

Whereas what was the Nationalism we got in the end? It was a Nationalism built on Catholic institutional ideals shaping Irish education, ethics, and morals, including conceptions of human liberty etc.

It was a Nationalism that refused to tolerate any relegation of the Church to any comparatively marginal position in Irish public life.

And in fact, once the Irish Catholic church allied itself with Irish Nationalism after Catholic emancipation, the secular Nationalist tradition was continually condemned even as a form of terror in the Nationalist propaganda (they based this claim on the French Revolution and Nationalists’ and Republicans’ curtailment of the Church’s educational influence throughout Europe at the time).

Anyway, Yeats' John O’Leary saw religion as the primary factor in creating the two rival Nationalisms, and the denominational education that transpired from it. Whereas he sought to create an Irish public opinion that was ‘kindly Irish of the Irish', not sectarian, inclusive of everyone.

(As I have pointed out before, to hold an opinion ‘kindly Irish of the Irish' is not a function of skin colour or religion, or any externality like that, it is more a function of relating to the Irish mindset which I believe is primarily found in the idioms of our national language, and in the "tools" that Irish offers you to express what you see, what you think, what may exist or not exist of reality; and that are markedly different to the "tools" of English and more modern languages. It is a public opinion regarding of our old books, the old rhythms of our language, the complex, subtle, nuances of the Gaelic mind as opposed to the English mind etc...)

Whereas parties like the odious "National Party" insist on putting sectarianism and Catholicism front and centre - never mind their lowborn and divisive emphasis on externalities like skin colour or what they call "race" etc.

Has not sectarianism and catholicism done enough damage to this country already? I.e. From our Catholic schooling and our Catholic institutions; to the abuses that occurred under same; to the partition that the two rival nationalisms inevitably created; to DeValera's Ireland of twitching windows; and the incompetence, dishonesty and cutehoorism that being in thrall to the institutions of the church and parish pump engendered?

Yet it continues. Anyone who joins with or supports the NP need a good kick up the hole.
 
Technically it isn't possible to have such a thing as a 'catholic republic' because (a) the very model of the republic does not and should not have a protected place for any religion over another (b) there is no such thing as a 'catholic republic' because a 'catholic' state recognises the authority of Europe's last absolute dictator in Europe and that is incompatible with the republic model and demos as in a republic ultimate authority comes from the people, not some absurd metaphysical king in Rome.

Barrett and his eejits either don't understand what a republic is or what catholicism is or else they do and are just talking bollocks.
 
"Romantic Ireland's dead and gone. It's with O'Leary in the grave."

Great post, good thread.

If we can keep this one separate yet still tied to the 'Open Letters' thread, then we have a deadly balance of two horrors at once.

Very good for the front page of the site.
 
Technically it isn't possible to have such a thing as a 'catholic republic' because (a) the very model of the republic does not and should not have a protected place for any religion over another (b) there is no such thing as a 'catholic republic' because a 'catholic' state recognises the authority of Europe's last absolute dictator in Europe and that is incompatible with the republic model and demos as in a republic ultimate authority comes from the people, not some absurd metaphysical king in Rome.

Barrett and his eejits either don't understand what a republic is or what catholicism is or else they do and are just talking bollocks.

Funny that the Irish people in general are now less afraid of Roman Catholicism as they are of Islam.

There's a cruel irony in that.
 
Of course religion has to be a 'protected characteristic' to some. Mainly because it never stands on its own merits, is a form of science for intellectual midgets and natural servants and is a bit like kicking kittens through a Sunday barbeque. Easily done but it makes stupid people uncomfortable and we can't be having that.
 
The paedophile cult must be protected in Ireland of course.

What was James Joyce's comment when asked to describe the Irish character back in the early years of the last century?

'The crack'd looking glass of a servant'.

People like you will always be someone's servant. Whether physical or metaphysical. And I won't be asking the Irish Government or anyone else's permission to exercise free speech.
 
I bet the cunts are only after the insurance dosh.

They probably had a box of Weetabix in the safe and fuck all else.

They're spinning for some publicity - and by the looks of things there's no depths they won't go to to get it.

In fairness though - if Justin Barrett wants some publicity, he should take off that First Holy Communion suit of his and strut naked down O'Connell Street on a Saturday night around throwing out time.

The little bollocks.
 
In Ireland that means you are an elderly rural gobshyte who doesn't like people or things he has never encountered before. Trying to lash a political notion on top doesn't disguise your rural peasant nature.

'Let no new thing arise'...
 
News today that word is spreading from one international embassy to another that it's not safe to be out on the streets of Dublin.

This has been a long time coming and it strikes me that for all their bullshit about nationalism, the Irish cohort of online trolls citing nationalism as their cause have basically just pissed their pants. Your brand of nationalism doesn't appear to cover the right to safety of incoming tourists and foreign workers already pinned to the wall with the rip-off prices and high rental fees - on top of that you might need to take a course in Ju Jitsu or karate to survive a shopping trip into Penny's.

Of the trips home I've had until 2017 (haven't been back since) I was acutely aware of the scummy elements all over the city in Dublin.

The epicentre of the city in particular is a shit-show of barely human behaviour. How any visitor to Ireland must feel to hear Nah-ally Murphy and Shakira McMenemie screaming down the street in their knacker accents that they just scored a purse and a mobile phone and they want to see their fence because they need another dose of smack or crack for their passed-out boyfriend and father of at least one of her kids who's currently shaking with the withdrawals in the doorway of McDonald's and needs a fix.

It just boggles the mind that this is not only happening today - but as been happening for as long as I remember. Decades have passed since O'Connell Street became overrun with the junkies and dealers. Any other city would likely shut that kind of behavior down overnight, but not Ireland. Now she's been branded for what she is: a dangerous hell-hole of scum and feral activities where the screeching of the seagulls is drowned out by the screams of the junkies and serial thieves.

This is what it takes for the Irish to get the finger out: nasty and negative media and press all around the world.

It's easy to ignore the one or two bad elements and put it down to minor issues, but when it's the entire fucking city and county ignoring the rat in the corner it becomes a rather more urgent matter. Imagine say one immigrant member of staff working at Meta or Microsoft getting mugged and then battered to within an inch of her life was to occur? And her employers decided that if it's not safe to run their business without their staff getting killed or wounded that it might be time to go - how quickly would the state step in?

See?

That's Ireland for you: a country full of angry and jealous cunts loving to see Jamal Foreigner get kicked around the statues lining O'Connell Street. What does it take for you to actually deal with your problems? You spend more time trying to define the exact nature of your nationalism as espoused by one yap or another wile your country and capital city is being flushed down the toilet?

Nationalism of any stripe means fuck all if the only way you can apply it is in online bouts of small talk with complete strangers while your country is falling apart. I took the scalpel to Jambo's nationalist angles only a few days ago.

He was stumped then and he's still stumped now.

Ireland in a nutshell.

Nationalism - down the toilet.
 
... shows you up as the biggest loser you could possibly imagine.
Back to the thread topic.

I think the whole thing around their gold having been stolen showed up the true character of a fair number of the NP membership, last week, serious losers like Jambo too, who advocate for them.

Well you'd have to be to believe what they believe.

Also for the record, for this thread, while we're on the subject, let's recall another revealing pantomine that showed the true character of another previously stalwart member of this party, Philip O' Dwyer.



You see the common theme with these creeps? With the posters on Arsefields? And Jambo?

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Could you give me an example of what you think I should be DOING with my beliefs? 🤔
Sticking them up your hole, Jambo.

That's the correct place for their long term residence.
 
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Let's just take the first graph. What is it actually telling us?

That American liberals experiencing difficulties go to their doctor for a prescription, while an American conservative goes to their pastor?

That American conservatives who believe Covid is a hoax, that the election was "stolen", that there are deep State paedophile rings being run from a pizzeria, that everything is a conspiracy against them, don't trust their doctors?

You see morons who don't understand statistics get overwhelmed when they see graphs like these, they have zero feel for the reality of the world that the data is supposed to be giving them clues about.

The mental capacity of US conservatives, or lack of, specifically, is something that the whole world is really concerned about. Some graph that shows they're avoiding their doctors and wallowing in their insane and narrow delusions is even more concerning.

Sure many American ultra liberals no doubt are also insane fucking fuckwits. But at least they're seeing their doctors about it.
 
Let's just take the first graph. What is it actually telling us?

That American liberals experiencing difficulties go to their doctor for a prescription, while an American conservative goes to their pastor?

That American conservatives who believe Covid is a hoax, that the election was "stolen", that there are deep State paedophile rings being run from a pizzeria, that everything is a conspiracy against them, don't trust their doctors?

You see morons who don't understand statistics get overwhelmed when they see graphs like these, they have zero feel for the reality of the world that the data is supposed to be giving them clues about.

The mental capacity of US conservatives, or lack of, specifically, is something that the whole world is really concerned about. Some graph that shows they're avoiding their doctors and wallowing in their insane and narrow delusions is even more concerning.

Sure many American ultra liberals no doubt are also insane fucking fuckwits. But at least they're seeing their doctors about it.

As PJ O'Rourke (a republican) remarked 'People forget that America was founded by religious nuts with guns'.

They are going through another hysterical episode like in Salem. The air for them is filled with evil spirits. There is a theory that the bread they were making in the area was tainted with ergot, which brings on hallucinations, hence all the witchcraft hysteria. The locals were on a bad trip and trying to deal with it in the only shared language they had which was biblical mania.

There is widespread lead poisoning in the US environment from decades of leaded fuel. Lead poisoning is known to reduce the IQ levels in affected humans. Their water won't be much better from decades of chemical spilling and from decades of toxic chemical run off making it into their food chain.

So they are trying to deal with it in the only shared language they know- superstition. The majority of Americans are not well informed or well educated people. There are only isolated areas of education, generally around the coastline.

So. A mix of public hysteria, perception of a loss of control in their world, possibly exacerbated by real physical and mental health issues and a deep sense of paranoia.

Just about covers it.

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The National Party are the sort of arseholes any decent neighbourhood in Ireland would swap out for some Somali refugees. Which is a bit of a paradox.
 

So the nationalist party continue to make utter fucking gombs of themselves. First off, Barrett decided he wanted Reynolds out and he made that one hilariously mad over-the-top video of himself ranting about Reynold's various levels of ignorance and stupidity, and then Reynolds called a party meeting for the following day at 1900. Then emailed it to Barrett's seldom used email account. Then emailed him again a few hours later bringing the meeting forward to lunchtime, and again sending it to a rarely used email address. In the end he was the only human being at the meeting, so he motioned for Barrett to be outed, then voted in accordance with himself and took over the party reins. Or so they say.

If these two clowns are the best nationalist Ireland has to offer, then no wonder Simon Harris looks like a man of great gravitas in comparison.

The Irish: a great bunch of lads.
 

These poor cunts in the National Party can't seem to catch a break at all. When the local NP member in Ballyer started her campaign, she was shocked at the attention I generated for her but really she hadn't a clue how to capitalize on it, even though she did score over six hundred votes without even hanging a poster up or giving a speech in any of the local halls or pubs.

She resigned from the party earlier this year and then got married.

End of story, Serina Irvine.

Barrett and Reynolds were the Laurel and Hardy vote until they managed to fall out with each other and then go apeshit at each other over the leadership and the missing gold bars. Mad stuff altogether: gold bars and Irish nationalists? Who among Barrett and Reynolds were the better man for the job? Neither of them. Two gobshites cut from the same cloth.

Now the head of the Stardust disaster's also pulled out after only a few days aboard the good ship NP, claiming her not having anything in common with the NP's principles and that it was a rushed decision she now regrets. Welcome to politics, Mrs Keegan. You might give Mrs Irvine a call to discuss your parachute.

For those of who are followers of the National Party, did it never occur to you that selling hoodies to skangers probably isn't a good idea?



Link: https://nationalparty.ie/product/np-hoodie/
 

The Sinn Féin integration spokesperson in Roscommon–Galway, TD Claire Kerrane apparently deleted a Facebook post after stating that she thinks immigrants who commit serious crime in Ireland should be sent back to wherever they came from. It was grabbed and seen by both the public and some other officials before deletion. This has caused many a furrowed brow in Leinster House and she was asked what level of crime committed would mean deportation. That part she couldn't answer, which is understandable if it was knee-jerk/drunk/stoned momentary brain-fart she regretted. But if she had considered it more deeply and felt that she has a point, would you lambast her for it?

I've lived in Finland for more years of my life than those I lived in Ireland. That's my choice and I have zero regrets. If anything, I smile about it all to myself when I'm looking back over my shoulder to let the blighted little rock know I haven't for gotten her, or her slimy chicanery in how she treats those she considers of lowly status. Did I commit crime in Ireland? Yes: as a kid I stole potato crisps from the factory over the back wall and sold them in the schoolyard. I also stole from department stores with toy departments: not the toys themselves, but rather the stuck-on red cardboard stars that came with the packaging. Most kids didn't seem to notice them and threw them out with the packaging but I spotted the value of them and collected as many as I could and sent them off to England and three weeks later they sent back both the whole toys and parts of toys I requested. These too I sold in the schoolyard. I was never caught. I was never cavalier about it either: I worked silently and I worked alone. I was under ten years of age, yes - but not a gurrier, more of an entrepreneur looking for angles nobody else spotted. Nobody was hurt, damaged, or suffered any even minor loss. The crisps I considered a tax on the factory for driving us all nuts with the smell of them cooking close by. The toys because it was a cool and very curious little angle that paid off nicely: and I used the money to buy the things I needed as a budding artist and musician.

If I did get caught? Well, being from Ballyer, you can be sure there weren't any judges who'd see things my way, and most likely they'd have sent me to Letterfrack or some other godforsaken hell-hole of poor and disadvantaged children. Where I'd likely learn to be even more sly and callous as a result of what happens to kids sent to any of the industrial homes. You go in wide-eyed and terrified. But you come out hardened and angry. And dangerous. It's one of those killer loops only Ireland and the Irish can dream up.

Up here I also have a clean slate. I've never committed any crime and I have no reason to ever even consider committing one. I did get a ticket for jaywalking (they fined me €25 for walking before the green light showed). The depths of winter, it was very dark, early evening around seven, it minus twenty, the snowfall and severe winds blustered parallel to the ground and swirled all around me. I was half blinded, but there was no traffic, so after waiting I crossed and was only ten meters from where I was going. Bee-baw! Bee-baw! Blue lights flashing, two coppers in a marked van, my footprints in the snow behind me. They were bored, I was angry. There was yelling. Then after checking my details they told me to wait while they wrote up the penalty. I was fucking freezing and dropped all the shopping I was carrying. I hadn't any gloves, my fingers hurt from the cold. They took their time. I refused the first penalty they handed me because it claimed I almost caused a car crash. I didn't - there was NO traffic. They tore it up. Started writing out a new one and I rapped on the van window shouting at them to just send it to me, you have my address. They slowed down and took even longer. I was by then just about as pissed off as could get and started picking up the shopping bags with the intention of telling them to go fuck themselves and walking over to the door. Bee-baw! Fucking cunts. Two minutes later they handed me the sheet, this time written in English. So I started speaking to them in Irish. They gawked at me. Then there was more yelling and then I walked. I have that sheet of paper framed in gold and black in my hallway. My guests all find it hilarious. Bizarre. Getting a ticket for jaywalking in Kallio? Kallio?? The bohemian district? With all the drunk party people, the street corner hustlers? The massage parlours and the dark and dodgy lane-ways used by junkies? The hookers and the street dealers? And you? A fine for jaywalking? YOU??

And so we laugh about it.

A young American guy I know who married a Finnish girl was doing a bit of weed on the side. He and his wife (they were in their early twenties) smoked a lot. Dealing weed helped him afford their habit. Word got out and the coppers descended on him one night: they tore his place apart and dragged him in. He said it was all his weed but the wife had to give a sample and she got nailed on that, but didn't get arrested. The court case came up, he agreed that the weed was all his own and that he had sold some here and there. He got a six month suspended sentence, had to do some ridiculous number of hours of community work for no money, and if he fucked up again, he was out. He and the wife split up and she left Finland. And soon enough, he fucked up again. Then he meets a very beautiful girl (on fucking Tinder!) and within a few weeks they were married (he still hadn't turned twenty-four). She was from Malaysia, her family were rich, they'd been in Finland for several years as residents. Then the court case came up: they booted him out. Can't return for three years and even then has to run the gauntlet to get a visa.

Do I find that harsh? Nope. I may not agree with the severity of it, but dealing drugs and getting caught in the act is what it is. The law is clear about these issues. Smoking a spliff when out and about simply requires being discreet. Acting the clown about it will bring heat. It's your own responsibility to understand the terms of your Finnish residency, and dealing even Class B drugs is what it is. Heroin, crack, coke, etc will mean prison time, likely followed by having your visa overturned and a ban on returning for whatever period of time. Weed, not so much. You're now allowed to grow up to three plants of your own. It's illegal to sell any of it. It's illegal to trade it. It's illegal to smoke it in public. But they'll overlook things so long as you're not causing a scene or attracting attention.

So, when one decides to move to another country and they find themselves under the thumb of the law, should they have the right to stay or should they get the bullet? I'm an EU citizen, so my rights in Finland are a wee bit more secure than those of an American. American residents have to update their visas on a regular basis. Their work record, studies, marriage, property, etc are all available, along with all of your personal details, including your bank accounts. Same applies to me, except for the updating visas part. I can come and go as I please, just like any other EU citizen. So what would happen to me if I got busted for something that justifies a court case? I get my sentence and then I get released after serving it and will have an ongoing relationship with the accorded institutions until the last details of my sentence are fully served. Meanwhile, I'll have lost my home. My possessions would have been put into commercial storage and I'd get a hefty bill for all the hassle that causes. I may not get a bank loan. I may not even find housing. Finding work will be difficult under these circumstances. So in effect, they don't have to boot an EU citizen out: we simply wouldn't any choice but to leave. And the bills we ran up will still have to be paid, otherwise we can't return to the country at all without being stopped at the border.

Now consider, say: the twenty-year illegal resident/immigrant stabber in the Parnell Street creche debacle? He's in prison languishing after a stay in the emergency ward for the beating he got from bystanders. The little girl who's only recently been released from hospital suffered life-changing injuries. She had surgery more than once, and she's still in recovery and will likely never be the same again. He stabbed her in the neck. Her basic human abilities forever limited by the damage the stabber did to her. So what about him? He's costing you money while he's sitting around waiting for is day in court. He's not an EU citizen. He's Algerian. He was bumming the dole for the last twenty years. He was busted walking the streets with a knife on him previous to the stabbing. He fought a previous deportation order and even managed to avoid being booted out. Should he be booted out now? Or left to malinger? Or to face the law and serve his time and then be booted out? Should ever be let out of prison? Given the freaks and lunatics appointed to the higher courts, what if he does serve his time and is then set free? Boot him out or let him sign on again and walk the streets with a machete in his jacket? What if the little girl he tried to kill ever had to face him in public again?

Finding an acceptable/suitable legal balance that works for every member state of the greater EU and the international community isn't a simple thing.

The degrees to which Immigrant A commits a crime in contrast with Immigrant B may warrant different punishments. Their crime, their record, and their nationality are also factors. Should non-EU criminals be handled the same or differently to citizens of member states? What level of crime warrants an immediate deportation? Does such a thing even exist in Ireland? Or any other EU member state? Has it ever happened?

Paddy-Joe McBride kills a man over a row about money. Gets caught, goes to court, goes down, serves twelve years, gets out - then what?

Jamal Hussein-Al Bahi beheads a randomly chosen Irishman with a machete. Gets caught, goes to court, serves thirteen years, gets out - then what?

New York native Steve McGarrett shoots an Irishman dead over a woman. Gets caught, goes down, serves eleven years, gets released - then what?

There is no 'one size fits all' type solution here.

Is the law an ass or are we the asses?
 
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Irish Nationalism: and the sheer hopeless state of its proponents.

Says some Australian wanker about getting suckered into thinking the Isle was sunk:

Nothing of value was lost, but I still don't like this. Mass reporting and content flagging to get sites pulled is literally the left's MO. It's something that should be eradicated from the face of existence and I definitely don't want it becoming the new normal, or our side of the aisle getting on board with it. Cancel culture needs to be cancelled. For everybody. I hated essentially everything ever written on the isle, and it was AIDS, but getting it pulled via filing complaints to the host is absolute bitch shit, very cowardly and underhanded, and the right needs to be better than that.

To be clear, happy that it's gone, not happy about the way it was taken down.

Nah, let ME be clear: these idiots you think you're 'pals' with are some of Ireland most stupid cunts ever to hop aboard right-wing sites like Arsefield's. They are also cowards who are terrified they might ever be linked to most of the shit they fling onto these boards, and you're just another lackey hanging out with terminal losers thinking you're political and 'active' with it?

See, these supposed 'Irish nationalists' attacking another Irish person? With an Australian mong like you in tow? It just goes to show you they'd rather have you for company more so than me, the Irish internet Public Enemy No.1. You, who knows fuck all about Ireland bar the fact that your criminal ancestors came from there a couple of hundred years ago. A kangaroo fucking jelly baby who had to make a comment about my apartment? Kid, I live in luxury. I live in standards a loser like you can't even begin to imagine. You live in a fucking desert. With giant rats abounding like ping-pong balls in the hands of Forrest Gump.

But you are right about one thing: the methods used to shut me and close David down are the height of cowardliness.

Scumbag behaviour.

I know you'll have learned by now that I have in past been solely responsible for shutting a few sites down, but never by the means used on the Isle by Arsefield's. I went after the very people who ran the sites, and I strung them up in public for everyone to see. This was their wizard behind the curtains. So they had no choice but to close down, their anonymity was razed into the dirt, and they scattered like the cowards they are.

I have multiple informants giving me leads: I keep them all near to use whenever mongs like you show up thinking you're all that.

You're nothing more than a lonely old kangaroo-fucking loser looking for friends, because there's fuck all else to do in the desert, is there?

Well, I'm not going to say you aren't justified. However, I don't think David was the real problem beyond being an enabler. It always seemed to me he had a boy-crush on Mowl. The site was basically run by him to give Mowl a sopaboax to spout-off all manner of vile shit. I don't think David was inherently putrid the way Mowl was/is, he's just some impressionable autist who got pied-pipered in over his head. I say this on the basis that as far as I can recall he never trashed anyone's family explicitly, and IIRC refused to take Mowl's lead when he defamed CGP and his passing. So I give him props for that at least. I'm not saying he's innocent, I'm saying there are levels of malignancy that should be considered. One is not the same as the other.

Nah, nah, nah...you got suckered. Now you're all gushing and high on your hobby-horse. You're really just a sad bastard who reads the things I write about and then finds yourself all sad and depressed wondering how you managed to completely waste your life. I mean, look at you? You're calling long distance. From way down under. To a far-right Irish chat board for mutant children to take shits on each other. How fucking sad are you anyway, Mate?

You're some fucking loser, Fishcrap.

You make me laugh.

Like the rest of the fools over there, as soon as you thought we were shut down, what did you do? You exposed everything to me. You showed me - along with new Irish 'friends' that you can't take your eyes off me. You have a tab permanently open to the Isle to keep up with the Mowl's latest antics. You're too fucking stupid to know how I know that, but if you know anything about coding - which you clearly don't - then you'd know how a display of coding can be cracked and sectioned up to remove everything bar the required information. Same game I play with your girlfriends in the gay bar.

Yes, the Mowl deserves a soap-box.

I've always had one - and you know why?

I'm better at what I do than you'll ever be at yours.

You're about as exciting and/or interesting as your site boss, Declan: winning the OECD's 'World's Fattest Rat Bastard' award for the eighth year in a row.

Fuck that, and get a fucking life.

 
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