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We live in delicious times. I honestly find it very satisfying to see so many and various long-term establishment bastards getting it in the neck over the last few weeks and months. I've realized also that there's no death or dying by any means that I would find repugnant enough not to relish the blood and guts spilling involved in many of the cases named here so far. Overnight for example, some images from the immediate aftermath of Epstein's suicide/murder (choose your own truth) have surfaced and the only thing that disappointed me was that they weren't quite as graphic as I would have hoped. That's if it is/was his body at all.

It wouldn't turn my stomach too much to see his bloated face, his swollen and bloody tongue hanging out of his yap - bite marks all over it, the bruising and discolouration from the ligature, swollen eyeballs in burst sockets, fingernail scratches around the noose where he tried to save himself, and plenty of puke, shit, and blood on the floor. But they redacted the hardcore aspects, which I guess is the only way they can sell it. Anything too visceral might well distract from the endgame.

But the one I'm really looking forward to is Andy Mountbatten.
There's absolutely nothing that I would consider too terrible for that cunt as a means of dying.
The more suffering the better, really.
And his Missus along with him.
So long as they do it by their own hands.
Professionals tend to get it over and done with quickly.

But it's not just the British royals, there's heaps more cunts in there I'm enjoying seeing simmer. If Jagger gets implicated, Richards will likely abandon him to his fate. I'd say Keith's been waiting for that cunt to die for as long the rest of us have been expecting Keith to die. Ronnie doesn't matter in the bigger picture: he's only fairly recently become more than a hired gun paid fixed fees for his efforts, generally not points in the Stones' overall catalogue. The Jagger factor would most likely cause a tsunami right across the highest echelons of rock'n'roll and showbiz in general. If he gets the hi-hat, then plenty of other global names are gonna get dragged into the surf and pulled under along with the Stones front-man. Other big names who, across the period from (say) the 1950's through to more recently, regularly took advantage of the girly bounties on their itineraries while out and about, are going to see spotlights shining not just into their eyes but also their very graves for the activities they not only carried out, but also subsequently wrote about. Talked about. Laughed about. Boasted about. The whole groupie scene from across several decades is extremely well documented, whether in photos or in factual published articles from the mouths of the very people I'm referring to. Reigning that one in is going to be impossible. And I think we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg right now, there's much more to come, and when one falls, others will soon follow.

It's not as if many of these guys tried to hide any of it either, at least not until something on this scale having occurred might suddenly see them running around like blue-arsed flies trying to clean up the evidence trails of the many young girls and boys brought to the slaughter at their tables. So many household names are right now potentially about to get skewered and dragged under the microscope. Historical as many of these liaisons may have been, time isn't a factor at the moment: reputation definitely is. The showbiz world has always been rife with high jinx and sexual scandals and even those already in the ground might well see their life stories and tall tales revised and given a more forensic poking about now that the Epstein train is firmly rolling. And there are some fucking huge names out there (not necessarily associated with the Epstein scandal) who are certainly quaking in their boots even as I write.

The Zeppelin guys. Roy Harpur, a close associate of both Plant and Page already got it in the neck some years back. I'd say both Page and Plant are fucking terrified seeing what's happening here. Then there's Bowie, and his ex-wife Zowie. These sort of old-school global superstar names will nestle rather nicely alongside much younger names, some young enough to appeal to the teeny-bopper generations of today. And today so many showbiz people identify as all sorts of shit. Bisexuality isn't a big deal any more. Bowie admitted to it. Several times. Homosexuality, lesbianism, both of those are equally sort of banal these days. But actual hardcore pedophilia is another category entirely, and if that's the mill around your neck, expect the current simmering to reach boiling point before too long. The watershed here is of immense proportions. Its potential for exponential disaster for many is huge, and the juicy details are only going to get juicier as the days turn to weeks.

I'd imagine showbiz lawyers are currently charging a premium for their services in terms of damage limitation, because that's the only real option here, once the lid is lifted on whomever named who happens to be carrying the can. Monies are likely being buried, investments shored up, any loose ends clipped and secreted away, and high hopes abounding like rabid kangaroos that the hangman doesn't come calling on your door next. Sexual predators are one thing, but there's also a whole host of names who simply took advantage of whatever was freely available and on the menu whenever they felt like it and who now are sitting ducks for a life-destroying scandal. Who's name is too big a name? In what field? Where will the buck stop? And after the fact, when household names once loved and lauded overnight become scum and filth because of their naughty appetites - where then will the bottom line lie? Standards are shifting, anyone tainted by sexual scandal these days - especially underage/pedophile littleboys/little girls type sexual scandals, has fuck all left to live for really. Not unless they possess the sort of wealth that can buy them total obscurity by any means necessary.

My money's on Andy Mountbatten as next for the chopping block: he has to go down one way or the other: whether by his own hand or that of a professional.

How about you?
 
Some images of Epstein's apparently dead body just a few hours after his apparent suicide:



In this one we see the damage done by the ligature: it's cut deep into his skin but not much blood seems to have seeped out, not unless they wiped it away before commencing CPR on him. It's said by others who've been in those same cells that there are NO places at all on the ceilings of the cells to attach anything like a noose from. They also say that all clothing is removed from suicide watch prisoners, which kind of puts his noose improvised from his clothing at odds with the stated facts.

I did first aid for several years with St John Ambulance, so I'm not fresh to cuts or gashes, broken bones or bruises.
Epstein's body doesn't look like a body that's been hung to death: his tongue is still firmly in his mouth. His eye sockets are normal in appearance. His skin colour looks the same as when he was alive. The head tends to expand during the process of hanging to death. The blood within the brain, coupled with the last breath in the lungs makes the blood expand, and the more the victim fights against death, the more the blood expands the skin and facial features. There are no marks on his neck to indicate that he clawed against the ligature while in the throes of death, which is normal for any hanging. Even if he did want to die, his body would react against dying, such is the nature of humanity.

The mind may have decided it's all over, but the body will do what it has to to stay alive, regardless of the mindset.

Then there's this one:



A little more vague in that it doesn't show much detail other than the damage done by the ligature.
Usually, when a hanging male person is on the verge of passing from a hanging, they ejaculate. They have what's considered the biggest orgasm they've ever had, which doesn't sound like such a bad way to die. Or does it? I doubt anyone who passed due to auto-eroticism would agree. Even kids die from it. There was a (white) Irish kid a few years back who came home from school, dumped his bag and jacket in the hallway, said a quick hello and ran up to his room after being told dinner was being served in fifteen minutes. When he didn't come down, his sister was sent up to drag him away from his laptop. Except she couldn't open the door - there was the knotted end of a rope at the top of it, so she called her Mam and the pair of them pushed the door open, yelling at the kid that he was grounded.

Instead they found his body, still warm, but with bulges all over his face and neck from the blood and the strain the ligature had caused within the skull. He was unrecognizable as their kid. There was a knife at his feet. No blood had spilled. They had no idea what was happening here. It was explained to them later that the kid was into auto-eroticism: the act of finding sexual gratification by hanging oneself until almost dead, only to cut the ligature before passing out. That way, he got the orgasm without the death. Mick Hutchence did the same thing, except in his case there was an issue about there not being a blade anywhere near the scene. Then it was implied that the knife had been moved, or removed, by hotel staff. It messed up his legal case and the ensuing rumours filled in the blanks for most rubberneckers. Either way, he was dead. Like the kid.

The timeline conspiracy theory around Epstein's apparent suicide hangs partly on the prison guards not being present at the time Epstein carried out his suicide, which of course sparked lots of other conspiracy theories, the most prominent being that he isn't dead at all. That he was actually spirited out of the prison and taken to a secret location, blah, blah, blah. Suicide watch prisoners usually have cameras trained on them, and frequent in-person visits from prison guards who observe him via a metal grill on the cell door. Between the camera and the grill, his suicide seems perfectly timed. Perhaps a little too perfectly for many. How could he possibly know when he was being observed and when he wasn't?

How long does it take to die quietly and without disturbing anyone nearby when one hangs oneself?

The Irish kid must have made a racket: feet kicking against the bedroom door he used to tie himself up. Those doors are usually wooden, they make a right noise when being kicked repeatedly. Are we to believe that Epstein kept silent as he was dying so as not to alert anyone? Can any human being actually simply decide to be silent and not kick out when the body goes into the paroxysms of death throes?

Nope, they cannot.

The self-preservation instincts kick in - they take over from thought processes, they take over from consciousness and free will, from choice. Nobody ever in the history of hanging ever went out quietly, not unless it was a drop-hanging, which severs the neck and causes instant black-out, then death. Epstein's hanging didn't feature a drop factor. Neither did he have anything on the ceiling to use, so most likely he tried to use the bunk beds. Tying the noose to whatever point of the upper deck and then hanging himself with his feet still on the floor - and dying gradually by just not trying to save himself? Hardly fucking likely under the circumstances.

Or perhaps he first tied his feet to the lower deck, just enough above ground level so that when he lowered himself with his arms into maximum strain via the noose - that his feet couldn't save him, but neither could his hands - because he didn't let them save himself? Hardly that either. Instinct is far stronger than will. Especially at the moment of impending death.

So did someone else hang him?

If so, the same criteria apply: nothing on the ceiling to suspend the rope, no clothes to tear up to make one, and Epstein in just his shorts.



It sort of implies that if the guards hung him themselves, then Epstein had to deal with the situation he found himself in. Likely handcuffed, then his feet bound, then a noose put around his neck and pulled tight, and then the rope attached to the upper bunk bed while they held his arms and allowed him to go through the throes, trying to kick out and free himself, looking his killer directly in the eyes in panic until he became unconscious and finally expired. At which point they drop him and leave the room. Return to their desks or wherever they work, and wait for some patsy guard to find him. Then act all surprised and shocked, and set about whatever process happens after a suicide on their watch.

Not much of a theory, really: it's riddled with holes and flaws.
Could you even consider the idea of hanging a man in this manner?
First enter his cell and subdue him, then bound him, then noose him up and hold him in mid-air until he's dead?
Not even a professional would do that - far too messy, way too dodgy and likely to cause attention.


Or maybe there was lots of attention?
Maybe everyone on the block heard what was going on?
And have decided not to mention it?

Prisoners and guards alike?

Hardly.

All the public seems to care about is that the monster is dead. I'm sure Trump feels the same, not to mention Mandelson. But what of Andy Mountbatten? Would you imagine that he wanted this to happen, maybe even commissioned it from afar? Or did Trump send his lads in for some damage limitation? Both Trump and Mountbatten have even more to lose should Epstein have been dragged into court and testify. The royals had few qualms about wasting Princess Diana, or so the conspiracy theories go. What worries would they have about murdering some Jew businessman who trafficked kids to them? Fuck all really. Better to get him into the ground now rather than later, before he says anything that'll fuck us all up.

Maybe this is what the 'he's not dead' conspiracy theory is based on: the photos aren't very convincing - maybe he's just posing?
Special effects make-up on his gizzard?

A pretty half-arsed attempt at making a killing look like a suicide: in a prison laden with cameras, guards, routines, schedules, and schedules on top of schedules? Roll calls? Door checks? Food and water deliveries? The simple fact that it's a concrete environment with zero soundproofing for exactly these reasons? To prevent suicides, escapes, fights, sexual hi-jinx, rapes, beatings, dealing, getting stoned, and even late night conversations across the block floors?

There are holes everywhere in the story, but none big enough to squeeze Epstein's death through.

When Andy's facing his moment - will there be a similiar fan-fare with a rope, or will he choose his shotgun?

The shotgun's the most efficient and guaranteed way to succeed at a suicide.

The only thing worse than a suicide is a failed suicide.
 
Contrast the Epstein files with the P Diddy files. The one seems to be the racial mirror of the other: Diddy supplying girls and boys to men (no pun intended) who subsequently became Diddy's personal whores in the immediate aftermath. Last night's party was of course caught on camera, which means the guests were caught on camera and the boys and girls provided for them caught on camera too. All the guests need to know is that images - whether video or photographic, exist, and that alone puts them in a compromised position. Diddy now owns them.

That the Epstein parties featured by and large white people, the Diddy 'Freak Outs' mainly featured black boys and girls. But the guests were off all hues. Clearly Diddy didn't give a fuck about their nationality or skin colour, what he cared about was entrapping them, and then squeezing them. Not that we know for sure that he did, but why amass piles of evidence without intending to use it? Yes, its existence is enough to put the squeeze on anyone who chose to join in on the orgies and the drugs and alcohol. Showing up at the party, accepting drinks off the trays of the servants, not knowing for sure what's in the glass, it may look like a gin and tonic but who knows that's all that was in there? Time soon gives an answer when you find yourself on your hands and knees howling at the moon. Doped up and horny as hell, scantily clad nubiles all around, lots of action taking place within eye-shot: girls giving head, boys on their knees getting rogered, girls on tables getting double-ended, etc.

It surprises me that the two have never really been conflated, compared and balanced against each other.
Epstein looking to entrap white folk, Diddy trying to entrap black folk.
Two sides of the same coin.
So by extension, consider Paddy and little boys and girls: the church immediately comes to mind.

Is there any sector of society wherein this isn't taking place?
The Rotherham grooming gangs.
Online stinging teams baiting online pedophiles looking to meet children for hi-jinx sexual encounters.

The saddest thing in all of this is that it's brought to mind parties I've been at myself where I saw girls having had too much to drink passed out on sofas, in corners, on beds piled up with coats. When the party's over and most have left, who watches over the unconscious guests? And in what manner? One lady friend whom I know personally for many decades comes from a wealthy family. They've lived in a variety of Asian and Indonesian countries through the old man's job placements. She was grabbed and taken into the back of a van and secreted away to some mystery destination against her will. Once they had her where they wanted her, she was tied to the bed and stripped of every stitch of clothing. Over three days on a weekend, she was systematically raped violently by more men than she can actually recall. She's now the adoptive mother of seven black-skinned children she and her husband took in and raised. For whatever reason, she chose me to reveal this to in a chain of emails over ten years ago. I did everything I could to understand her, try to point her in the right direction, to try to get her to act to help herself before the pain she was carrying ended her natural life. Her marriage was under strain, the children were her primary concern. But she didn't seem to understand that her husband, who introduced us when we were all teenagers, was also suffering very badly from her behaviour. I tried everything I could think of to be of any help to them both - though separately for most of the time.

We eventually agreed that I would delete all of our exchanges and never refer to them again. Last I heard, the marriage was crashed, badly. The kids were all of high school/college age, so that gave them some space to focus on their future, whether together or not. I mention this only because she's the only rape victim I know personally, and her story is truly an horrific one.

The stories of the many children in both the Diddy and Epstein cases obviously must have extreme complications in their lives too. How does one pick up and continue with one's life when one's past has shadows this long across it? We know in Ireland that the many victims of the church are mostly elderly folk, or at least in their forties, or thereabouts.

Epstein + wealthy white men + white children.
Diddy + wealthy black men + black children.
The RCC + priests and nuns + Irish children.

The religious orders: the De La Salle, Sisters Of Mercy, et al - all neck deep in child molestation - and child violence.

Wealth versus poverty.
Knowledge versus ignorance.
Age versus youth.
Creepiness versus innocence.

And of course the church internationally, from Latin America through Africa, across Indonesia through Europe. The story goes on and on. It seems every culture across the world is still practicing immoral sex acts with children, it goes all the way back to Roman times, even to the old England of Shakespeare's time. In MacBeth, young Fleance is described as being something of a sexual plaything, although not exactly directly. But we do get to see Fleance awaken in a man's bed in the wake of the king's murder. Then there's the scene at the castle gate where MacDuff's arrival in the early morning at MacBeth's castle - only to be greeted by locked gates - a drunken gatekeeper arriving to let him in is laden with sexual references, albeit somewhat discreetly. But the church still saw fit to remove it entirely from the Irish curriculum version. That flopped for them in the end because Polanski's MacBeth, which I saw multiple times, clearly showed the missing scene in all its lechery on the big screen. And man did we laugh.

But that was many years ago, and I honestly don't know if that missing scene has ever been returned to the play the kids get to study today.

It seems humanity has a nasty flaw that seems to be present across all cultures and ways of life.

Buggering children is something of a human sport for many: find a victim, rape them, threaten them, leave them in fear, and fuck off to find your next victim. It never seems to end, so where does that leave us? How will society fill in the gaps and protect our most vulnerable? Or is it simply the case that this is never going to stop? That man will always have this side to his nature: some can contain it, some can't. So kids are never going to be safe, ever.

The details on the Diddy case aren't as wall to wall as the Epstein case, not yet at least and certainly not on this side of the Atlantic.
But in time I think both will begin to merge as patterns are studied and characters assimilated. What will it all lead to?
 
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News just in: Andrew Mountbatten's been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office.

Deadly!

Now that his brothers have disenfranchised him and booted him out of the royal mansion, it seems a cell will be his next address if he doesn't do the right thing. Which is to kill himself. He has no other viable options. He has no friends left. Nobody to take him in a rearrange his teddy bears in neat rows along his pillows. The rope is calling, but I'd imagine he'd go for the softer option of a shotgun in the mouth and the back of his head sprayed onto the wall behind him.

It's time to go, Andy - all that remains is choosing your exit.

www.bbc.com

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office - live updates

It comes after Thames Valley Police said they were assessing a complaint over the alleged sharing of confidential material by the former prince with Jeffrey Epstein.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
You're probably wondering why I posted a youtube link to Musical Youth from the 1980s?

Ask yourself if you really think that any of Epstein's old-fart guests are actually capable of maintaining an erection with which to fuck underage girls and boys. Ask yourself if you really think any of those boys and girls willingly agreed to getting fucked by wrinkly old men without there having been something added to their drinks being served from different trays to the ones the oldies drank from.

These fuckers were high on hard liquor, coke, hash-brownies, weed-laced gazpacho soup, and of course viagra.

Can you imagine the likes of Andrew (66) and Mandelson (72) getting it up without a stimulant?

Fuck that - of course they didn't.

I'd like to know if the coppers took a blood sample from Mountbatten, and if so, what was in it. If not, then why not? Same would apply to anyone else dragged into the station for questioning. First a roadside type drug test (results within eight/ten minutes) and then a deeper examination at the station - results practically immediately. If that turns out to be the case, then we need to know from where these old farts got their fixes.

P Diddy's routine was the same: one set of drinks trays for the victims, another one for the rapists.

The priests in Ireland didn't bother getting their victims high, they simply beat them into submission, then raped them, then beat them all over again.
 


Word emerging about Andy fucking 12/13yr old Russian girls in the Middle East while functioning as a trade envoy.

Nice.
 
Mowl said:


'Pass the dutchie pan de left-hand side...'
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Looks shell-shocked, for someone so used to luxurious surroundings a cold, regular police cell must have come as some culture shock.

I'm surprised he was arrested, the monarchy usually get away with things a regular citizen wouldn't in a million years...last member of the Royal Family to be arrested was Charles I back in 1647. It's no wonder people suspected one of the royals of being Jack the Ripper...there's one law for them, and another for everyone else.
 
Couldn't be much happier for the nonce cunt than I currently am.

Not until he tops himself - or gets wasted by any of a hundred and more other nonce fuckers also into fucking children.

Hopefully the monarchy lose their balance and slip and fall into the abyss along with him, the sweaty bastard.

 
It's scary to think what monarchies and the Catholic Church likely got away with back in the Middle Ages when both had absolute power.

An accusation against a prince back in the 1300s would probably have you thrown into a dungeon, never to be seen or heard from again.
 
Actually, back in those times, court pageboys, usually pretty little boys who were washed and soaped up for the royals pleasure, were routinely buggered senseless by anyone with a bit of power and the king's/queen's favour. In some areas it was considered a privilege when your child was selected for preferential treatment. The children of peasants were also routinely and summarily raped, but many of them ended up in buckets and tossed out with the royal poop.

Buggering children is probably one of the oldest sports out there for those with the right connections and privileges.

The buying and selling of children as slaves to the court was a nice earner for the peasantry, and for the kid a lucky break - until their hoops were ridden raw and bloody, in which case they became pig food.

There's nothing new under the sun with any of this.
 
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There's talk of Charles abdicating the throne due to a potential cover up.

www.mercurynews.com

What King Charles knew about Andrew could lead to abdication crisis

If Charles knew about Andrew’s alleged misconduct, the U.K. moves into a ‘previously unthinkable situation.’
www.mercurynews.com www.mercurynews.com
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Abdication is one thing, but the royalty being abandoned and booted out of society is another entirely. Starmer's currently looking at ways to ban Andrew from the royal line of succession, which in itself is a major blow to the Windsor's credibility as state representatives and position of privilege. Being granted certain privileges is one thing, having them removed is another again. Many people have calling out for this for many years, but the royals have the love of the common people in England and elsewhere to rely on. When the law steps in, that reliance instantly fades as the bright lights of justice and history are shined into their dark little world.

As for the in-breeding: just look at the gums on the two princesses? They look like horses, like their aunt Princess Anna.

If it did come out that there has been inter-family sexual escapades, then that's the final nail in their gold-tinted coffins.

For the Irish, it's be beyond cathartic to see the Windsors fall: they've actively stood in the way of a united Ireland for many years and have complicated and frustrated any conversation about uniting the island for generations. So if Andy gets a prison sentence, the court case that judges him will be enough (IMO) to sway even the most hard-line oppositions to that.

As I said in the opening post, we're living in delicious times: and the fun's really only beginning. When the remaining victims finally get in line and combine their notes and memories, a line of very powerful people all across the world are going to be first exposed to scrutiny, then made face the law.

This is one more of those only once in a lifetime situations, seeing the twin towers fall was another.

But it's on that scale, no matter how hard Andrew and his family try to obfuscate the issue. Prince William has apparently said that when his time comes around, he's going to go after his uncle with his bare hands to expose and ruin the fucker. So when your own family members have turned against you, you know that big bells are ringing off in the near distance. Willy hates him, and I'd imagine young Harry despises him even more.

As for his own daughters? The world-wide avenue of interviews and exposes would refill their bank accounts and free them from royal instruction, to some degree. They too will have autonomy and the insider's view of the royal lifestyle, in particular, the sleaze attached to their uncle and his circle of friends.



The Windsor gum-line's a tragic sight to see.
Horse-mouth having little bitches, a right pair of spoiled brats enjoying the high life.
Will be great to see it all come crashing down around their massive and oblivious jug-eared heads.
 
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Here's an odd little thing from The Epstein Files, wouldn't have thought rat-boy Feeney was into this sort of shit:



It appears Feeney's a child rapist as well as a fat useless cunt with an ugly as sin wife and a kid with more spots than the sun.
I always knew Feeney was a wrong 'un, hiding in plain sight, his rat-like features bared to the wind - forging on in his quest to rape little girls.

Feeney's a cunt.
His wife's a slag.
His son's a zit-ball.

Next up we'll be reading that Dawson's in on the act too.

What a shower of perverted shit-sacks.
 
Mandelson's next in line for a whipping.
This is great fun, watching the establishment fall one by one.
Old England isn't just dying - she's dead; fucked, broken, it's all over bar the celebrations.

 
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