I'm atheist.
Throughout history the rest of the world has enjoyed a love-hate relationship with the Jews.
You begin by stating that the rest of the world either loves or hates Jews.
This should be fun.
They like our focus on family, education and accomplishment.
Same is true for most Catholics.
I was raised Christian, but the Catholic aspect I threw off as soon as I was allowed to make my own mind up about gods and religions.
They dislike our legalism, which undergirds the parts that they do like.
You still mean the rest of the world?
At some point you're going to have to qualify this love/hate thing or risk continuing with a losing battle.
For example: I have many reasons to hate Jews. But I don't. I reserve it
for the Jews I've known and interacted with.
Where in this '
the rest of the world' portion of the world you're referring to am I?
For that reason the Jews quickly went from leadership positions in "Germany" to the gas chambers and mobile killing squads, known as "Einsatzgrupen."
That isn't a reason - you haven't shown any reason or evidence for the attitudes of 'the rest of the world' regarding Jews.
This argument you're trying to make is built on nothing but a sense of entitlement.
One-third of the world's Jewry died between 1938 and 1945.
Most people born both at that time (and earlier) are now dead.
It's ancient history - like The Troubles.
It's just that - like many Irish Republicans and Nationalists, the Jews can't move on, you can't let it go.
That still doesn't mean it isn't ancient history.
The Jews are not about to let that happen again; and it won't.
And you'll achieve that by eliminating Gaza?
Or what?
We will not return to our prior passivity because it fatal.
Passivity?
Your 'people' were (and still are) the human cash registers of the planet.
There's
nothing passive about hoarding wealth.
We have no option other than to eliminate the enemy.
Which enemy?
Palestine?
You seriously think the Palestinians are your sole 'enemy'?
To quote a bankruptcy judge, "…the operative principle was that one who swats at the hornet had best kill it. In re Kidwell, 158 B.R. 203, 213 (Bankr. E.D. Cal. 1993).
A bankruptcy judge?
Which one?
A Jewish one?
Can you name this bankruptcy judge?
Schlomo? Goldstein? Goldberg? Silverstein?
Some lessons from history; if WW II was going to end and not just end in another quasi-Armistice like WW I, Dresden and Hiroshima were necessary.
So you're a man who appreciates the value of a full stop?
An absolute end and the final solution to whatever it is that's ailing you.
I said that already.
There is no doubt about that.
Agreed.
Anything else?
Children who just yesterday seemed to be playing in the tire swing on the front yard are off to fight, often in some distant land or venue.
Not one of mine.
How about yours?
Everyone of any degree of sanity wishes that this were never needed, and that our beloved flesh and blood could go peacefully from playful childhood to productive, fruitful adulthood to wise old age.
Your utopia sounds like a fairly sweet space in which to exist.
Unfortunately, the way of the world is that nations and religious groups frequently do not like each other.
One solution might be to separate these two elements from each other - practicing democracy inside the house and practicing religion out in the shed?
There is always some group that doesn't want to engage in diplomacy or good-faith negotiation.
The world is full of dishonest people.
Some of them are Jewish too.
It is the people that enjoy the cherished freedom relished by Americans that do not wish to fight.
Americans don't want to fight??
Think about that one again - you're losing your audience.
Sometimes other people or groups make unreasonable demands that must be resisted.
Like the way America presumes it's the global police and the Jews can see every dime shifting from a pocket to a wallet?
For example, in the U.S. south, people demanded the right to keep other people enslaved, and were willing to forsake Congressional and electoral debate to that end.
Like Israel did with Gaza so?
In more modern times, various groups, at different times calling themselves fascists, communists, or Islamists, believed that they had the right to limit the freedom of others, in behalf of some deranged or impractical dream of world paradise, on their terms, with them as rulers.
Man is a beast - two steps backward and he's still a caveman.
Just look at those mad fuckers out in the desert chopping each other's heads off?
The civilized world has always tried to limit the bloodshed of war initially.
'Limited bloodshed' now, is it?
How much blood spilled is enough blood spilled - and whose blood in particular?
During the Civil War, Union forces took no steps to occupy Virginia or North Carolina prior to their long-delayed secession from the Union. During World War II, much time was spent in both the European and Atlantic theaters on peripheral engagements with enemy troops, some at great cost of Allied life. How many Americans died at Guadalcanal, Midway, Iwo Jima, Okinawa and various African sites far removed from the main Axis powers?
How many did they kill in Dresden/Hiroshima?
Both the Civil War and WW II ended when the victors became serious about fighting. General Sherman's "March to the Sea", which devastated large swaths of Georgia, convinced the remaining Confederates that their cause was hopeless. The Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks, in my view, for the first time convinced the German and Japanese people, respectively, that their "leadership" was taking them one place; to the grave.
From them Yankees to the Japs and on to ze Germans?
Quite a leap.
There are, of course, exceptions. The War of 1812 ended in a standstill truce which persists to this day. However, the nations on either side of the border were prepared to live with the other permanently. That is not the case with most current war zones. Russia is not reconciled to Ukrainian independence or for that matter the freedom of the Baltic States or Eastern Europe.
I live in Helsinki - around two hours from the Russian border.
Ask me how many Russians I met today - or even in the last month.
Hamas does not want a Jewish state of Israel.
Israel does not want a tiny strip of land to the south being home to Palestinians.
For war to end, the ultimate victors must prosecute it to the maximum extent possible.
Kill 'em all now and ask questions later, is it?
You Jews are so fucking funny.
I am not advocating attacking supermarkets and skyscrapers deliberately.
So you can do it 'accidentally' then?
Those kinds of attacks accomplish little.
Not like Israel amassing its forces around the Gaza trip and preparing not for war, but for all-out oblivion for non-Jewish residents?
If fanatics seek war, they should be given what they ask for.
Like the Jews in Israel then?
Lorry-loads of it.
Attempts to daintily avoid civilian casualties and negotiate prematurely lead only to prolonged and greater agony and death.
Again: kill 'em all and count the bodies later.
You crazy fucking Jews never cease to amaze me with your complete and total unawareness of what you're actually saying. You behave like you're the only educated person in the room while talking out of both sides of your mouth using a pair of snake tongues. To quote again what you just said:
Attempts to daintily avoid civilian casualties and negotiate prematurely lead only to prolonged and greater agony and death.
That doesn't sound to me any different from what Hitler said to his own troops about The Final Solution. So if it's true for you, is it also true for ze Germans? If you think the best way to handle the Gaza/Palestinian/ PLO issue to is spray them to fuck with hot metal and obliterate the lot of them '
quickly and humanely' that they die fast and don't have to suffer, then tell me what
EXACTLY was wrong with Hitler's plan to do the same to the Jews?
Do you really think that Israeli troops taking out Palestinian women and children in a cold, quick, but efficient manner forgives the fact that you're a still fucking murderers? Or would it be a bad thing only if their suffering was prolonged by, say - nailing the kids to trees and letting the wildlife feed off them while the women watch from a distance with their feet in an open fire with a burning tyre around their neck?
Fucking Jews.
I swear you fuckers are the most hypocritical, self-pitying, nauseating cunts I ever dealt with.
Like your own hands are clean of blood? You fools
make your race so fucking EASY to hate and despise.
There's your debate - chew on it, fucker.
