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Grumix88

Grumix88

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We have freewill God lets us decide to do good or bad and our purpose in life is when we make that decision. it's easy to not know that purpose because we are different. But freewill God gives it but he also gives us the law and the law is not wrong and niether is freewill just soceity itself is wrong and we have forgotten what is the normal back in those days. Society mistakes and thinks G-d is against freewill but gave freewill the right to choose and they have invented freewill is voting, paying taxes, and civics duties. No people those things are the mistake modern society makes because they think they have evolved in such A way they surpass all of Israel back in those day but truth G-d is fair and gave us all. We have lost what is important love because human society is wrong and it's foundation is false and invented by masons.

G-d created it all the rocks, the atmosphere, everything has been giving and from all that we have built buildings and empires everything we have built has come from him modern world is our work and act but we do not acknowledge them we take the glory and everything for we are sinful. The concept of government we have created but we emulated it from G-d and his kingdom the order G-d has it first, the structure he establish since the dawn of the universe. We have created rights but we cannot use our rights agaisnt G-d and say he has violated them or civic manner say our freedom and establishment of our democracy hits against G-d and his kingdom. For he has the kingdom and the law. The law of his word and we do not have that for G-d gave us words but we are babylon the law is only his. Nor it belongs to hebrew people, eunuchs, or angels it only belongs to him to judge.

Our own system is flaw because we copy from each empire that has been establish Babylon, Rome, Greece, Britian, and Nazi Germany. Each has given its concept of right and law and all have copied each other and failed. Because again bible has establish that G-d and his system works and we with our notion of democracy and rights have copied on Rome and Babylon and they are wrong. The most important things that because we have technology which has help us after world war 2 we think we have surpass it all and enter the digitla world and we circumvalent our promblems of family, corruption, and normal things we had before the 1950's and think we are gods. And we want to be eternal and to be like powerful like G-d because it is what we have always been thinking because all of it is copy. When we are original and have the right system like he does everything works but our government and system does not because we are with flaws and our own boundaries aren't the solutions they are A reminder that we will never have A perfect system thus our rights and belief in them cannot be the truth. The freewill is revealed that there is A difference from freewill with G-d on accepting the right and wrong and succeeding in that way and from freewill from our modern concept which has failed and clashes with G-d's law which is right and truth and unless we do not use our rights against G-d freewill is that what we make only A lie and it existence false.

Freewill from that point of view is that of society and since society has masonry in it and all foundations of masonery is babylon and Dagon it compells people to make G-d like unfair despotism but you cannot apply that to G-d for he is G-d and he is God of Gods those words are just feeble people who make laws copying the old empires and fallacy arrives in it's policy. There is A way government can follow G-d's politics but that will be another day. But people and society will always collapse confronting and using thier rights and saying there is no freewill when you have to one understand things from G-d's point of view understand what serveth the law, how the law is completed thru love and how faith as A tool helps you make A better realtionship with G-d. When you find the truth and love in his way that G-d establish thru Jesus Christ you understand A secret way which freewill co-exist with G-d and love is what that bound unites it and makes freewill work but not under modern society but thru G-d mosaic law and know that is true freewill has been given to you but from the stance of modern world and republics establish go into error. I will explain more but have did A lot.
 
I've often done things, I mean, it happens all the time, mundane stuff, with the (conscious) realisation that I made the decision (to do it) momentarily afterwards.

Do I have free will? 🤔
 
Grumix88 said:
Yes, you do because you can choose. And you choose to be free and decide what you want.
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"... Further conceive, I beg, that a stone, while continuing in motion, should be capable of thinking and knowing, that it is endeavoring, as far as it can, to continue to move. Such a stone, being conscious merely of its own endeavor and not at all indifferent, would believe itself to be completely free, and would think that it continued in motion solely because of its own wish. This is that human freedom, which all boast that they possess, and which consists solely in the fact, that men are conscious of their own desire, but are ignorant of the causes whereby that desire has been determined..."

Spinoza
 
Grumix88 said:
We have freewill God lets us decide to do good or bad and our purpose in life is when we make that decision. it's easy to not know that purpose because we are different. But freewill God gives it but he also gives us the law and the law is not wrong and niether is freewill just soceity itself is wrong and we have forgotten what is the normal back in those days. Society mistakes and thinks G-d is against freewill but gave freewill the right to choose and they have invented freewill is voting, paying taxes, and civics duties. No people those things are the mistake modern society makes because they think they have evolved in such A way they surpass all of Israel back in those day but truth G-d is fair and gave us all. We have lost what is important love because human society is wrong and it's foundation is false and invented by masons.

G-d created it all the rocks, the atmosphere, everything has been giving and from all that we have built buildings and empires everything we have built has come from him modern world is our work and act but we do not acknowledge them we take the glory and everything for we are sinful. The concept of government we have created but we emulated it from G-d and his kingdom the order G-d has it first, the structure he establish since the dawn of the universe. We have created rights but we cannot use our rights agaisnt G-d and say he has violated them or civic manner say our freedom and establishment of our democracy hits against G-d and his kingdom. For he has the kingdom and the law. The law of his word and we do not have that for G-d gave us words but we are babylon the law is only his. Nor it belongs to hebrew people, eunuchs, or angels it only belongs to him to judge.

Our own system is flaw because we copy from each empire that has been establish Babylon, Rome, Greece, Britian, and Nazi Germany. Each has given its concept of right and law and all have copied each other and failed. Because again bible has establish that G-d and his system works and we with our notion of democracy and rights have copied on Rome and Babylon and they are wrong. The most important things that because we have technology which has help us after world war 2 we think we have surpass it all and enter the digitla world and we circumvalent our promblems of family, corruption, and normal things we had before the 1950's and think we are gods. And we want to be eternal and to be like powerful like G-d because it is what we have always been thinking because all of it is copy. When we are original and have the right system like he does everything works but our government and system does not because we are with flaws and our own boundaries aren't the solutions they are A reminder that we will never have A perfect system thus our rights and belief in them cannot be the truth. The freewill is revealed that there is A difference from freewill with G-d on accepting the right and wrong and succeeding in that way and from freewill from our modern concept which has failed and clashes with G-d's law which is right and truth and unless we do not use our rights against G-d freewill is that what we make only A lie and it existence false.

Freewill from that point of view is that of society and since society has masonry in it and all foundations of masonery is babylon and Dagon it compells people to make G-d like unfair despotism but you cannot apply that to G-d for he is G-d and he is God of Gods those words are just feeble people who make laws copying the old empires and fallacy arrives in it's policy. There is A way government can follow G-d's politics but that will be another day. But people and society will always collapse confronting and using thier rights and saying there is no freewill when you have to one understand things from G-d's point of view understand what serveth the law, how the law is completed thru love and how faith as A tool helps you make A better realtionship with G-d. When you find the truth and love in his way that G-d establish thru Jesus Christ you understand A secret way which freewill co-exist with G-d and love is what that bound unites it and makes freewill work but not under modern society but thru G-d mosaic law and know that is true freewill has been given to you but from the stance of modern world and republics establish go into error. I will explain more but have did A lot.
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Our own first-person experience suggests that we have a sense of agency and choice in our actions. When we deliberate between options and make decisions based on our desires and beliefs, it feels like we're exercising free will.

Secondly, consider the concept of moral responsibility. If we weren't free to choose our actions, it would be challenging to hold individuals accountable for their behavior. Yet, in our legal and moral systems, we often do just that, implying a belief in free will.

Moreover, human creativity and innovation seem to stem from a sense of freedom in decision-making. We're able to imagine, create, and innovate in ways that aren't entirely determined by external factors, suggesting a degree of free will.

There's also empirical evidence supporting free will. Neuroscientific studies show complex brain activity during decision-making, and research on cognitive flexibility demonstrates our ability to consciously override automatic responses, indicating a level of control over our actions.

Furthermore, believing in free will contributes to our sense of personal autonomy and existential significance. It allows us to perceive ourselves as active agents in shaping our lives and the world around us, rather than mere products of deterministic processes.

Lastly, the practical implications of believing in free will are significant. It encourages personal responsibility, self-improvement, and societal contribution, while also underpinning concepts like justice and human rights.

So, while the debate about free will is complex, these points from personal experience, moral responsibility, creativity, empirical evidence, existential significance, and practical implications make a compelling case for its existence."
 
DCMystic said:
Our own first-person experience suggests that we have a sense of agency and choice in our actions. When we deliberate between options and make decisions based on our desires and beliefs, it feels like we're exercising free will.

Secondly, consider the concept of moral responsibility. If we weren't free to choose our actions, it would be challenging to hold individuals accountable for their behavior. Yet, in our legal and moral systems, we often do just that, implying a belief in free will.

Moreover, human creativity and innovation seem to stem from a sense of freedom in decision-making. We're able to imagine, create, and innovate in ways that aren't entirely determined by external factors, suggesting a degree of free will.

There's also empirical evidence supporting free will. Neuroscientific studies show complex brain activity during decision-making, and research on cognitive flexibility demonstrates our ability to consciously override automatic responses, indicating a level of control over our actions.

Furthermore, believing in free will contributes to our sense of personal autonomy and existential significance. It allows us to perceive ourselves as active agents in shaping our lives and the world around us, rather than mere products of deterministic processes.

Lastly, the practical implications of believing in free will are significant. It encourages personal responsibility, self-improvement, and societal contribution, while also underpinning concepts like justice and human rights.

So, while the debate about free will is complex, these points from personal experience, moral responsibility, creativity, empirical evidence, existential significance, and practical implications make a compelling case for its existence."
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Why are all these (supposedly) conscious decisions, free will?

As I said in post #2, I've often noticed myself making a decision, taking a course of action, and only becoming aware of it (the decision) afterwards. That may be something like, for example, earlier today, walking up the stairs and then turning around, realising that the reason I turned around (to do something downstairs) I only became aware of after I had turned around.
 
Electricity said:
Why are all these (supposedly) conscious decisions, free will?

As I said in post #2, I've often noticed myself making a decision, taking a course of action, and only becoming aware of it (the decision) afterwards. That may be something like, for example, earlier today, walking up the stairs and then turning around, realising that the reason I turned around (to do something downstairs) I only became aware of after I had turned around.
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Sure you could argue that however it's important to consider that this doesn't necessarily negate the existence of free will. Instead, it highlights the complex interplay between conscious and subconscious processes in decision-making.

  1. Subconscious Processing: Much of our decision-making occurs at a subconscious level, where our brains process information and generate responses without conscious awareness. This is evident in tasks like driving a car or playing a musical instrument, where complex actions are performed with little conscious thought. In your example, the decision to turn around may have been influenced by subconscious cues or habits.
  2. Conscious Rationalization: After a decision is made subconsciously, our conscious mind often rationalizes the decision retroactively. This can create the illusion that we consciously chose the action before becoming aware of it. In reality, our conscious awareness lags behind the subconscious processes that drive our behavior.
  3. Freedom within Constraints: While our subconscious may influence our decisions, it doesn't mean we lack free will. Free will can be understood as the ability to make choices based on our own desires, values, and beliefs, within the constraints of our biology and environment. Even though subconscious processes may shape our decisions, we still have the capacity to reflect on our choices and make conscious decisions in line with our values.
  4. Agency and Responsibility: Regardless of whether a decision is made consciously or subconsciously, we still bear responsibility for our actions. Society holds individuals accountable for their behavior, recognizing that even if certain actions are influenced by subconscious processes, individuals still have the capacity to make choices and should be held responsible for their consequences.
while it's true that many of our decisions are influenced by subconscious processes and we may only become consciously aware of them after the fact, this doesn't invalidate the concept of free will. Instead, it highlights the complexity of Wuman decision-making and the interplay between conscious and subconscious processes.
 
Electricity said:
Why are all these (supposedly) conscious decisions, free will?

As I said in post #2, I've often noticed myself making a decision, taking a course of action, and only becoming aware of it (the decision) afterwards. That may be something like, for example, earlier today, walking up the stairs and then turning around, realising that the reason I turned around (to do something downstairs) I only became aware of after I had turned around.
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Or you simply drank far more Dutch Gold than you can actually recall.
 
DCMystic said:
Sure you could argue that however it's important to consider that this doesn't necessarily negate the existence of free will. Instead, it highlights the complex interplay between conscious and subconscious processes in decision-making.

  1. Subconscious Processing: Much of our decision-making occurs at a subconscious level, where our brains process information and generate responses without conscious awareness. This is evident in tasks like driving a car or playing a musical instrument, where complex actions are performed with little conscious thought. In your example, the decision to turn around may have been influenced by subconscious cues or habits.
  2. Conscious Rationalization: After a decision is made subconsciously, our conscious mind often rationalizes the decision retroactively. This can create the illusion that we consciously chose the action before becoming aware of it. In reality, our conscious awareness lags behind the subconscious processes that drive our behavior.
  3. Freedom within Constraints: While our subconscious may influence our decisions, it doesn't mean we lack free will. Free will can be understood as the ability to make choices based on our own desires, values, and beliefs, within the constraints of our biology and environment. Even though subconscious processes may shape our decisions, we still have the capacity to reflect on our choices and make conscious decisions in line with our values.
  4. Agency and Responsibility: Regardless of whether a decision is made consciously or subconsciously, we still bear responsibility for our actions. Society holds individuals accountable for their behavior, recognizing that even if certain actions are influenced by subconscious processes, individuals still have the capacity to make choices and should be held responsible for their consequences.
while it's true that many of our decisions are influenced by subconscious processes and we may only become consciously aware of them after the fact, this doesn't invalidate the concept of free will. Instead, it highlights the complexity of Wuman decision-making and the interplay between conscious and subconscious processes.
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I'm not really sure what role you think subconsciousness plays in free will, you could argue the opposite.

And where do your "desires, values and beliefs" come from, r they yours?
 
I think these two Jews make for a pretty good discussion on the topic -



PS. Don't mention the Jews to Mowl (it's a touchy subject)
 
Electricity said:
PS. Don't mention the Jews to Mowl (it's a touchy subject)
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Nah, it isn't really: I'm very clear on my stance.

And actually also, my low regard for Jews in general has recently broadened slightly to include those I know and have dealt with AND one more.

I'd take exquisite pleasure seeing Netanyahu catch some long/slow and and extremely painful disease that only one Palestinian doctor knows the cure for.

There are a few more Jews hovering just over the horizon between my revulsion and loathing who I might get around to over the next few days.

But there's no confusion there: only in your own head, Jambo.
 
Mowl said:
Nah, it isn't really: I'm very clear on my stance.

And actually also, my low regard for Jews in general has recently broadened slightly to include those I know and have dealt with AND one more.

I'd take exquisite pleasure seeing Netanyahu catch some long/slow and and extremely painful disease that only one Palestinian doctor knows the cure for.

There are a few more Jews hovering just over the horizon between my revulsion and loathing who I might get around to over the next few days.

But there's no confusion there: only in your own head, Jambo.
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Did you hear about the US soldier who torched himself?
 
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